Posted on 05/18/2015 7:40:50 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
Bush is responsible for ISIS gaining power in the same way that Eisenhower was responsible for us losing World War II - oh, except we didn’t lose World War II.
My point is this. Mistakes are made in war. Many people believe that the great casualties that resulted from The Battle of The Bulge could have been avoided if a different strategy had been tried. Patton had an alternative plan to Eisenhower’s, that would have had our troops outflanking the main German resistance and starving it out. This likely would have given us a less costly victory. Nevertheless, we ultimately prevailed - mistakes and all. That’s what great nations do.
Likewise, if the Bush administration had dealt with the ex-Baathists more wisely, it would have likely made our victory there less costly. But we still won. That’s what great nations do.
Imagine if Patton, to prove a point that his strategy was better than Eisenhower’s, deliberately undermined the war effort from that point on. Maybe then, we would have lost the war, and Patton could have petulantly blamed the loss on Eisenhower not taking his advice. But that’s not what great men do. But that’s what America hating commies like Obama and the Democrat Party do. They have deliberately given away the victory so dearly fought for, to try to “prove” that it never happened.
Sure, mistakes were made in the Iraq war, but the bottom line is, we won. These ex-Baathists never would have been able to reorganize and become what they have become, without an Obama to help them.
You have given up. Bush made a decision based on Intel.
Exactly.
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“.......the disbandment of the Iraqi army after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003 ....
Dumbest thing we did in Iraq.”
A large part of the “Army” was not the Army of Nation of Iraq at all, but was actually the Army of the Ba’ath Party. The best units (seven Divisions) of Republican Guard reported to Saddam Hussein through a Ba’ath Party command, and not to the Ministry of Defense. The paramilitary Fedayeen Saddam also were not a National asset, but a personal asset of the President.
The “regular” Iraqi Army itself was highly politicized like that of a Communist regime. All the Generals were highly political appointments, of party loyalists (literally more than 10,000 individuals held flag rank, so they could reconstitute Ba’athist command easily, no matter how high their losses). The whole officer Corps was extensively politically screened throughout their careers, and during evaluation for promotion. The regular Army itself was regionally organized, with a strong role in politically monitoring and suppressing the local population.
The Ba’ath Party seized power twice in Iraq through coups - the last time with only about 5,000 people. The Army had extensive plans and preparations to regroup and re-seize power, if the country was overrun, in addition to the separate and well developed plans of the Republican Guards, Fedayeen and intelligence services. Seizing power by coup was a major part of Ba’ath Party lore, and contingency preparations for it consumed a significant percentage of its training and budget. Their plans and preparations increased significantly after their near collapse in the Gulf War, and through the decade-long siege of sanctions and no-fly zones.
They were always public that this was their plan, and they used the prospect of their return to intimidate those who might collaborate with the Americans. They named their initial terrorist organization “The Return”, shortly after the American liberation. Elements of the military intelligence are in fact now conducting this operation, under the false flag the Islamic State.
We knew for a fact the Ba’athist Army was prepared to rebel and conduct a coup - probably more so than other military on Earth. They simply could not safely be left in place, armed and organized. It was never a feasible option.
Re: “Exactly right. And we’re their slaves. By choice. Disturbing isn’t it?”
I’d say not by informed choice. Cultural Marxism removed informed choice from most people - slowly and steadily over decades. For some reason there are still a few who escaped the slow, subtle brainwashing that surrounds us.
If you look at elections the two branches of the National Party present mostly the same agenda in different garb.
Re: “Well I didn’t get any. Did you?”
Nope.
but Nixon and Kissinger managed to put off the day of reckoning for our debt ridden economy and the dollar for a few decades
Valarie Jarrett, Keith Ellison, Obama, and these guys:
The six named people include: Arif Alikhan, assistant secretary of Homeland Security for policy development; Mohammed Elibiary, a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council; Rashad Hussain, the U.S. special envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference; Salam al-Marayati, co-founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC); Imam Mohamed Magid, president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA); and Eboo Patel, a member of President Obama's Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships.Oh and Hilliary's lover, Huma Abedin. Wife of the guy famous for putting pictures of his last name on the www. Anthony Weiner.
Both ValJar and Huma are Muslim Brotherhood operatives on the highest levels.
They take on the task of instituting Sharia law in the USA.
Obama is an Indonesian citizen who's declared Religion is Islam. (proved by paperwork when he was in school in Indonesia as a youngster under his Muslkim stepfathers name, Soetoro. Barry Soetoro)
I think you nailed it there, but not just Bush. The West thought Islam was just a religion like Catholicism or Judaism or Presbyterianism. It’s just been a long time since Islam has been a mortal threat to the West. They’ve forgotten.
My hip pockets!!!
However, if all this were known, how does one explain that preposterous armistice or whatever the hell it was, arranged by Schwartzkopf et al?
We left them armed and dangerous ... and then tried to reel them back in ... or suppress them?
Hussein had them under his control. Without him they were free to go full blown terrorists. Everyone of them should have been hanged with Hussein.
Actually, we should have left Hussein in power.
Prior to the Gulf War, the coalition got UN approval to go in, but only on the condition that they restrict the operation to liberating Kuwait, and not conquer Iraq.
Immediately after the Gulf War however, there was a a massive and suspiciously well-coordinated anti-Regime uprising. Iraqi Shia militias, notably SCIRI/Badr Brigades, which had been sheltered in Iran for a decade, attacked en masse from Iran. Groups came in from Syria and down from the Kurdish areas.
The Ba’ath managed to suppress this revolt. Most attribute this to their ability to use helicopters (a loophole in the no fly zone restrictions, sometimes pinned on GEN Swartzkopf), and more surviving Republican Guards than planned, because the slaughter was called off a bit too early (like a day or less), sometimes attributed to Colin Powell.
The Ba’ath regime survived, and the CIA Director coincidently resigned within months.
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Him spouting Islam is a “Religion of Peace” was based on intel? Let’s talk about intel shall we? 19 highjackers from Saudi Arabia funded by Saudi Arabia. What do we do? Fly Bin Laden’s family out and back to Saudi Arabia per their request. What we should have done was dropped them with bombs strapped to their backs right onto Mecca. But that wasn’t politically correct.
I haven’t given up. I’m a realist. One Uniparty. Hell bent on destroying America. For greed.
So why didn’t Bush recall the idiot civilian and reinstate the $50. I presume that was monthly pay to feed their families?
So why didn’t Bush recall the idiot civilian and reinstate the $50. I presume that was monthly pay to feed their families?
Don’t leave out the DCI, who is a convert.
If you are saying that the current situation means that Bush was right to go after Saddam after 9/11 rather than really cleaning up and finishing up in Afghanistan, then I think you are wrong. I think you are confusing correlation with causation. If Saddam’s officers had not been thrown out of their comfort zone, and we had effectively fought Osama bin Laden and weakened Al-Qaeda, then ISIS probably would not have happened.
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