Posted on 05/13/2015 8:08:13 AM PDT by Piranha
I have only read a summary of the Treaty, so I can't confirm that.
But, like the poster Piranha, my first thought was, “Why would Obama suddenly want an Asian free trade agreement?”
1. It outsources jobs to Asia and as part of the deal, it might include amnesty. Unfortunately the rot is so severe that essentially any bill that can be used will be used to push through amnesty.
2. It was a show vote, purely for propaganda. Both factions want a PFTA. The more it screws the middle class, the better. Wait a week or two and a “compromise” will be found.
3. You’re operating from a mistaken premise that there is even one scintilla of difference between the two factions. They both want the same thing: power and control. If they can further open the borders and destroy the existing middle class in the process, then all the better from their perspective.
The Deenocrats want $$ for they’re votes. Republicans want MORE $$ for theirs.
It also has SOPA on steroids in it.
Perhaps the small arms treaty, too.
There’s an addition Dems want on medical practices/devices.
0bama wants something for Kenya in it.
yes it’s all about money for them think kick backs nothing in D.C. moves unless it’s tide to money or power.
Perhaps because, from a geostrategic perspective, this trade agreement would bring the covered nations of southeast Asia into closer ties with the American sphere of influence, and away from the would-be hegemon, the increasingly aggressive China.
The Democrats hate this treaty, because organized Labor hates this treaty.
Just some thoughts....
I’m not a doctrinaire republican about either China or labor unions except that I want security and I want a real free market.
Republicans don’t care about those things anymore, witness the Iran Senate bill, open amnesty, and cronyism.
So, republicans support Obama on this because on this their boss(es) want(s) this direction.
The love of Money in all it’s forms; is at the ROOT of all Obamanoiacs...
Important point: the agreement has not failed. The vote was whether to put in on the so-called fast track.
put *it*
Lol...I heard Charlie Brown Paul Ryan gurgitate similar nonsense this morning.
Then again, I can understand, and strongly empathize with, the following:
He begins to leave who begins to love.Make of these lines what you will. They are not directly "scriptural." Nonetheless, I find them quite stirring, and profoundly true.
Many the leaving who know it not,
for the feet of those leaving are affections of the heart:
and yet, they are leaving Babylon. — St. Augustine, Ennarrationes in Psalmos, 64.2
In a certain way, I have made my spiritual exodus from the current insanity of the degraded, utterly corrupt and ultimately suicidal course of what passes for "American society" these days. But as long as I exist in mortal body, I can't just "sit it out" and wait for the End Times.
As long as I'm "here" on Earth, my Christian duty is to live in the Lord, to honor and witness to His Truth; and to as much as possible radiate that truth outwards, into the greater society. I say this with the full understanding that, to do so, is to put a target on one's back that the psychopathic, "new atheist" screaming-meemies out there will always be trying to "draw a bead on."
To me, the practical question here is: Is America worth saving? Or have you entirely given up on American exceptionalism?
Understand here that the historical self-understanding of We the People of the United States of America is that, although we are constitutionally organized as a secular government, we are nonetheless, finally, ultimately a free people "under God." For our freedom, our inalienable liberties, come from God. The Declaration of Independence makes this crystal clear. And the First Amendment guarantees it. [Not to mention the Second, if push comes to shove.]
It seems to me it's time, even past time, for the "saving remnant" — that is, faithful Christians — to step up and shoulder the responsibilities they bear as sons of Christ in this world.
Don't speak so much about what you want. Think about what you should be doing.
I have HOPE that God has not given up on We the People. I have HOPE that a spiritual renewal can heal America. Thus we Christians must pray for such renewal — personal, cultural, societal — which amounts to a plea for divine intercession.
Which I find perfectly reasonable.
For our Lord will hear our prayers!
In what way do you find this NONSENSE???
(You left that part out.)
It is not hope I've given up on, dear Sister, but on the republican establishment. I've always found it interesting that the early Christian writers, themselves Jews, referred to the leaders of the anti-Jesus movement as "the Jews." They knew what they meant....the establishment....and others had to put 2 and 2 together.
So, I don't trust Republicans. At other times I might call you republican, and most of this ping list also, and I am more than occasionally a supporter of republicans. But, there are times when the word is profanity.
I could call them RINO, but I sort of agree with Goldberg, that I just might be the one who actually is the republican in name only, because I sure don't fit with the establishment. Up is down and down is up, and the establishment calls the shots, makes the rules, spends the money, and sets the direction. They might just own the name and they can have it. Reagan, too, would have been the RINO in this sense.
I'm the conservative. They are the Republican.
And optimism nor pessimism is the issue, but honesty about what one sees. How does that old hymn go... "My hope is built on nothing less, than Jesus' blood and righteousness."
The only way to ensure America remains “competitive” is to give away access to our markets.
That nonsense.
Jeepers, you seem to be such a pessimist, dear brother in Christ! I wonder why you feel justified in this line of thinking, in that we Christians are called upon at all times to demonstrate the seminal Christian virtues: Faith, HOPE, and Love.
Then again, I can understand, and strongly empathize with, the following:
Make of these lines what you will. They are not directly "scriptural." Nonetheless, I find them quite stirring, and profoundly true.
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Me trying to add value: Dreams, Love, Wisdom....
That strikes me as a singularly one-dimensional view of an inordinately complex problem. Not to say thoroughly illogical and, given American history, counterintuitive.
But still, you have told me nothing about the facts on the ground that persuaded you to reduce this multi-faceted problem to purely one-dimensional economic terms.
Plus your "conclusion" apparently leaves America in a toothless, supine position WRT to rest of the world. Which since WWII, has depended on America as the moral center of world order, by virtue of its tremendous cultural power, and the economic and military power that flows from that.
I gather America is no longer allowed to be America in your book.
Different strokes for different folks, I gather.
Mine eyes have seen the gloryFunny story: I sang the Battle Hymn, gospel-style, at my high school class reunion a couple of years ago. I was almost booed off of the stage....
Of the coming of the Lord
He is trampling out the vintage
Where the grapes of wrath are stored
He has loosed the fateful lightening
Of His terrible swift sword
His truth is marching on
I have seen him in the watch-fires
Of a hundred circling camps
They have builded him an altar
In the evening dews and damps
I can read his righteous sentence
By the dim and flaring lamps
His day is marching on
I have read a fiery gospel
Writ in burnish'd rows of steel
As ye deal with my condemners
So with you my grace shall deal
Let the hero, born of woman
Crush the serpent with his heel
Since God is marching on
Glory, glory, hallelujah
Glory, glory, hallelujah
Glory, glory, hallelujah
Our God is marching on
He has sounded forth the trumpet
That shall never call retreat
He is sifting out the hearts of men
Before His judgment-seat
Oh, be swift, my soul
To answer him be jubilant, my feet
Our God is marching on
Glory, glory, hallelujah
Glory, glory, hallelujah
Glory, glory, hallelujah
Our God is marching on
In the beauty of the lilies
Christ was born across the sea
With a glory in his bosom
That transfigures you and me
As he died to make men holy
Let us live to make men free
While God is marching on
Glory, glory, hallelujah
Glory, glory, hallelujah
Glory, glory, hallelujah
Our God is marching on
Notwithstanding that my other two songs of the evening, covers of Patty Cline's "Crazy," and Bonnie Raitt's "Runaway," were very well received.
Go figure.
I strongly doubt I will ever attend a high school class reunion ever again. This entire experience has left such a bad taste in my mouth....
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