U.S. Muslims ask why their religion's condemnation of violence often goes unheard

Los Angeles Times ^ | 05/10/2015 | SARAH PARVINI

[polymuser]

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Uh... what was the question again?

[SunkenCiv]

Because it doesn't happen, that's why.

A shill at the Los Angeles Slimes mentions an Islamofascist at Duke University:

• Meet the Radical Professor at the Center of the Controversy for Islamic Prayers at Duke University
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• A moral case against voter ID laws (this is what they're teaching at Duke University)
• 49% of US Presidents suffered mental illness in Duke study

[SunkenCiv]

The "journalist" lied here:

The Council on American-Islamic Relations sent out an email: "Bigoted speech can never be an excuse for violence."

• CAIR: We Condemn The Terror Attack In Texas, But Pamela Geller Totally Had It Coming

  "Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, Geert Wilders and the perpetrators of yesterday's attack all seek to provoke a downward spiral of mutual hostility and mistrust in America and around the world."

• Group (CAIR) to sue FBI over man killed during questioning about Boston bombing
• Bad News For The Islamic Tribunal In Texas, Muslims Furious
• National Islamic furor focuses on Irving vote tonight
• Radical Islam And Cultural Jihad
• Supreme Court Frieze Brings Objection (Muhammad Image)

[Gumdrop]

U.S. Muslims ask why their religion’s condemnation of violence often goes unheard.....

“Because you cannot hear what is not said.”

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I will add: because their own fellow Muslims refuse to listen to the supposed condemnations of their acts - or that they are not hearing any condemnations either (as you wrote).

[Enten]

Defend the “honor” of the prophet....??? do they mean that murderous pedophile from the 7th century?

[DoughtyOne]

What condemnation?

What is taught from the pulpits?

Sharia law
Beheadings
Mutilation of the female sex organ, so she won’t enjoy sex
Stoning women for being raped
Causing women to live as if livestock
Selling women into marriage before they double digits old
Honor killings

And this is just part of those teachings.

Yeah, great religion. Why indeed, do people not understand Islam for what it is? I ask myself the same question.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Why?

I know! I know!

I can explain it in music .. give a listen

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Hell even Salon let the answer be published..

Wednesday, Sep 26, 2001 Islam’s flawed spokesmen Some of the groups claiming to speak for American Muslims find it impossible to speak out against terrorist groups. Jake Tapper

"CAIR and AMC in particular would not be chosen as representatives by many Muslims. In fact, there are those in American Muslim communities as well as law enforcement who consider CAIR and the AMC to be part of the problem, because both have been seen as tacitly — if not explicitly — supportive of extremist groups guilty of terrorism."

from other sources Islamists commenting on the danger to Muslims following the 9/11 "event"

“People who know us gave us sympathy and apologized for the hurtful anti-Muslim acts of bigots,”[Mohamed Nimr, CAIR’s research director] said . . . “Americans do not hate us as Muslims,”Nimr concluded. “People just don’t know us. Muslims need to introduce themselves.”

IIRC within hours of 9/11/2001 Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR posted comments on CAIR's site telling Muslims (paraphrasing) to take advantage of the opportunity to teach Islam to one and all.

I posted several times links to the Society of Professional Journalist guidelines demanding that terrorism and Islam never be together in a report -- if the reporter absolutely had to mention the two together the reporter must name domestic terror groups like the anti-abortion people.

[Yardstick]

Interesting. Where is that documented?

[Vinnie]

Because their are enough Americans that can read and understand Arabic to know that what is said in English by Muslim groups is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from what is said in Arabic by those same groups.

I'm not sure about enough Americans understanding and reading Arabic but two different messages...spot on.

[PapaBear3625]

From Islamic site Muftisays:

The scholars are unanimously agreed that a Muslim who insults the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) becomes a Kaafir and an apostate who is to be executed. This consensus was narrated by more than one of the scholars, such as Imaam Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh, Ibn al-Mundhir, al-Qaadi �Iyaad, al-Khattaabi and others. (Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/13-16)

Asma bint Marwan wrote a poem against Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasalam) insulting him, Upon hearing the poem, Muhammad (Sallallahu alihi wa sallam) decided to have her executed.

Ibn Sa'd's Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir describes the death of Asma bint Marwan:

"Then (occurred) the Sariyyah of Umayr ibn adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against Asma Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the Hijrah of the apostle of Allah. Asma was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the Prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the Prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: "Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?" He said: "Yes. Is there something more for me to do?" He [Muhammad] said: "No. Two goats will butt together about her. This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him Umayr, "Basir" (the seeing).

(Ibn Sa'd' Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, translated by S. Moinul Haq, volume 2, page 31 )

Some scholars consider this story to be a forgery because the only sources for the story are Ibn Ishaq's Sira and Ibn Sa'd's Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir. Also, one of the reporters in the chain of narration, Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj, is known for fabricating Hadiths.

Ibn 'Adiyy mentions this incident in his book "Al-Kamal" on the authority of Ja'far Ibn Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Ibn As-Sabah on authority of Muhammad Ibn Ibrahim Ash-Shami on authority of Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj Al-Lakhmi on authority of Mujalid on authority of Ash-Shu'abi on authority of Ibn 'Abbas, and added that

"...this Isnad (chain of reporters) is not narrated on authority of Mujalid but by Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj and they all (other reporters in the chain) accuse Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj of forging it." (Ibn 'Adiyy, Al-Kamal, Vol. 6, p. 145)

(some Islamic scholars want to consider the story "unreliable" because the act has Mo going against his own Quranic instructions about killing women.) There are a number of other instances of Mo having men put to death because they mocked or otherwise opposed him

[Mrs. Don-o]

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