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No, Senator Rubio, Homosexuals Aren't Born that Way
AFA ^ | Monday, April 20, 2015 | Bryan Fischer

Posted on 04/20/2015 5:01:58 PM PDT by xzins

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To: xzins

Short of one of the kids being molested or something along those lines, I don’t see why one twin would grow up to be homosexual and one wouldn’t raised in the same home. If it’s environmental (experience related) it doesn’t make sense to me failing that one reason.

Do you see a reason?


21 posted on 04/20/2015 5:30:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The question, Jeb Bush? The answer: NO! Rove, is a devious propagandist & enemy of Conservatives!)
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To: xzins
If one was "born that way", God wouldn't consider homosexuality as a sin. It would be morally neutral like race, height, or hair color.

Of course, if you don't believe God's Word, you can simply make it up as you go along and lots of people do.

22 posted on 04/20/2015 5:31:45 PM PDT by Gritty (It's obvious to me 'racism' is 99% fake and hatred of religion is 98% real - Jonah Goldberg)
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To: DoughtyOne
Do you see a reason?

homer sexuality is a behavior. behaviors are complex. lying is a behavior. stealing is a behavior. drug use is a behavior. alcohol abuse is a behavior.

The first discussion is recognizing it is a behavior.

the second discussion is it a good behavior to encourage or discourage.

THEN we talk about causes.

Behaviors are complex. There is seldom only one cause. Imprinting which one of the things that God created for good. But it can be perverted to imprint children on porn, homosexuality, sex, drugs, ets.

23 posted on 04/20/2015 5:40:14 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: xzins

I secretly hope homosexuality is genetic.

Then, when mass abortions take place of homosexual babies, we can listen to the liberals claim “genocide”.

But, I will make myself content to let God sort it out.


24 posted on 04/20/2015 5:42:41 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Hillary is the most qualified candidate to finish the destruction of this nation.)
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To: xzins
The writer is 100% WRONG!!! In a country like the U.S. that was as openly anti-homosexual for many years until about the last thirty or forty, why would anybody choose homosexuality unless it was a natural bent? For instance, why would a great looking guy like Rock Hudson choose an ugly guy like Jim Nabors to sodomize when he could have had half the women in Hollyweird?

The truth is abnormal hormonal factors during pregnancy are most likely responsible for homosexuality. How it happens is yet to be discovered. Over or under production of hormones would explain why so many male homosexuals are effeminate and so many female homos are butch/mannish.

25 posted on 04/20/2015 5:43:29 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: DoughtyOne

It’s what I said. They have identical DNA. What is different are their experiences, identities, associations....everything in the psycho-social area is different.


26 posted on 04/20/2015 5:44:05 PM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: driftless2

It’s introduction to various means of sexual release and the drive for additional sexual release. That makes it psycho-social.


27 posted on 04/20/2015 5:45:58 PM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: American Constitutionalist
How does Marco Rubio know so much about homosexuality ?
Makes you wonder.

No need to get unnecessarily smarmy.
The pro-sodomy LGLBTXYZ juggernaut propaganda is organized, relentless and dedicated. They are immune to facts, logic or laws. The pressure on would be candidates forces them into untenable positions.

That Rubio succumbed to that propaganda, simply shows his inexperience and inability to think things through before putting his mouth in gear.

And he has paid the price.

28 posted on 04/20/2015 5:49:58 PM PDT by publius911 (If you like Obamacare, You'll LOVE ObamaWeb.)
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To: xzins

>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2009/06/05/a-major-study-of-child-abuse-and-homosexuality-revisited/<

On page 37, the other relevant result relates to men.

The 13th research question addressed, of homosexual men who have been molested, what percentage were molested before self-identification as homosexual men, and what percentage were molested after self-identification as homosexual?

Of homosexual men who were molested, 68% were molested before self-identification as homosexual, and 32% were molested after self-identification as homosexual.


29 posted on 04/20/2015 5:51:06 PM PDT by G Larry (Hillary Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Check out the molestation factor cited in my prior post above.


30 posted on 04/20/2015 5:52:38 PM PDT by G Larry (Hillary Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
'Why are Republican presidential candidates expected to weigh in on issues of homosexuality and sexual orientation in the first place?'

Because, the GOP riled on social issues to help them win recent elections[2004]. It was key to Karl Rove's strategy to help bring out votes. And, it is a reasonable question to see what a GOP contender holds as his personal beliefs on such issues, since it was such a important issue to the GOP just recently, and is part of the lastest GOP[2012?] platform[DOMA support] and beliefs.

31 posted on 04/20/2015 5:52:54 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Why do we care if some one
would go to a homosexual wedding?
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One thing it certainly shows is either complete ignorance or disobedience to God's word in the Bible. And that's one thing if the candidate is an atheist, but if they call themselves a Christian it's something quite different. It's saying you know more than God and can make up your own rules as long as it seems ok to you. And more and more our world and country are showing the ill effects of having millions and millions gods running around pleasing themselves first and foremost.

32 posted on 04/20/2015 5:53:12 PM PDT by bramps
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To: xzins

I’m not seeking to be argumentative with you. I just don’t understand why one twin turns out one way and the other does, based on environment.

If their mom is a stay at home mom, these kids get the same experience day after day for five or six years.

When they go away to school they are generally in the same classroom up until the sixth grade.

In general terms they are exposed to the same factors day after day after day.

This is their life up until 12 or 13.

Yet one turns out homosexual and one doesn’t. We’ve pretty well established it isn’t gene related.

I don’t see a parental, environmental, educational, or any other type of trigger. None the less one child can turn out normal and the other homosexual.

I don’t think this is easily explained away.

It comes under the heading of, we simply don’t know. At least that’s the way I see it.


33 posted on 04/20/2015 5:55:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The question, Jeb Bush? The answer: NO! Rove, is a devious propagandist & enemy of Conservatives!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Why are Republican presidential candidates expected to weigh in on issues of homosexuality and sexual orientation in the first place?

Great question.

The ONLY correct answer should be..."why would you ask me that? Our country is going to hell in a handbasket, the Constitution is in tatters, The country is hopelessly overextended, the federal government is taking over the entire Free Exchange Private Enterprise system, and this is what you feel is an intelligent question?

Next question, please."

34 posted on 04/20/2015 5:57:30 PM PDT by publius911 (If you like Obamacare, You'll LOVE ObamaWeb.)
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To: DoughtyOne
In general terms they are exposed to the same factors day after day after day.

And I'm saying they are not: Different experiences, different identities, different associations.

35 posted on 04/20/2015 5:57:49 PM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Little Ray
I fear it will not be long before normal people ARE expected to accommodate them.


36 posted on 04/20/2015 5:58:46 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: G Larry

My question is this. Is identity with same sex a defense mechanism for kids who are molested? Is it a method to explain away to themselves that it wasn’t that bad, or that things were not as bad as it seemed?

68% is a rather high figure.

Thanks for the mention.


37 posted on 04/20/2015 5:59:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The question, Jeb Bush? The answer: NO! Rove, is a devious propagandist & enemy of Conservatives!)
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To: xzins

That answer explains nothing.

It simply avoids the reality that I’m trying to address.

I appreciate your response. Take care.


38 posted on 04/20/2015 6:01:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The question, Jeb Bush? The answer: NO! Rove, is a devious propagandist & enemy of Conservatives!)
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To: xzins
That's denying the fact that attraction to the same people might be entirely natural exclusive of any other factors. Use the principle of Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is the best.

For most people, sexual attraction is natural. To say the quest for additional sexual release would mean taking up with some ugly person of the same sex is stretching things. Why not just admit that most homos are simply naturally attracted to people of their sex?

Why would attractive people of either sex (i.e. Rock Hudson) choose to engage in sexual practices with unattractive people of their own sex when they could have numerous sexual experiences with people of the opposite sex? Especially in someone like Hudson's case where revelation of his homosexuality would effectively have destroyed his career?

This study, like the studies that "prove" man-made global warming, is trash.

39 posted on 04/20/2015 6:02:26 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Dilbert San Diego
From a practical standpoint another big concern with how politicians view this issue is with how it affects children. With increased ‘normalization’ of homosexuality comes increased access to children and their minds as far as viewing homosexuality as no different from heterosexuality. And leaving religion out of the question, my experience tells me this is far from the case.

I see two men or women with children, I feel so sad for the kids. And that's more of a gut thing than a religion thing. And to anyone who would contest my attitude, I would ask them who they would rather have watch their 5 year old son for a week and why if you knew nothing else about your choices except that one was a male gay couple and one was heterosexual couple.

40 posted on 04/20/2015 6:04:30 PM PDT by bramps
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