Ted Cruz, the Times, and Guns

The New York Sun ^ | April 18, 2015 | The Editors

[2ndDivisionVet]

The New York Times is taking note of Senator Cruz’s suggestion that the Second Amendment was intended to “serve as the ultimate check against governmental tyranny — for the protection of liberty.” The Gray Lady calls it among the “ridiculous arguments against gun control.” It suggests the silliest such the idea is that the framers wanted to “preserve the possibility, or even encourage, the idea of armed rebellion against the government.” What arrests us about this note is the absence of any reference to Elbridge Gerry.

Gerry was the representative from Massachusetts who, during the debate over the Second Amendment in the First United States Congress, marked the point to which Senator Cruz refers. The House was considering an early phrasing of what became the Second Amendment. Namely: “A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms.” Here is what Gerry said:

“This declaration of rights, I take it, is intended to secure the people against the mal-administration of the Government; if we could suppose that, in all cases, the rights of the people would be attended to, the occasion for guards of this kind would be removed.” What bothered him, he went on to note, was the religious exemption, which, he feared, “would give an opportunity to the people in power to destroy the constitution itself. They can declare who are those religiously scrupulous, and prevent them from bearing arms.”(continued)

[Don W]

6.023 X 10 ^23rd?

That's a LOT of writing, FRiend!

[RC one]

I take it to mean that our forefathers recognized that we were born into this world free and without human masters and the bill of rights recognizes that a free man has certain inalienable rights, that is, rights that are not granted by men and which can not be taken away by men as they originate from a higher authority than men, our creator.

The right to keep and bear arms, as such, is not so much about God wanting us to have firearms but, rather, God wanting us to have freedom. The right recognizes that unless both parties of the social contract have the power of firearms, there is no freedom.

Though we have abrogated certain rights by nature of the social contract, there are yet certain rights which our forefathers deemed sacrosanct and they were included in the Bill of Rights and the purpose of all of them was to maintain balance between the government and the governed.

Of course the second amendment is about resisting tyranny. If a person truly does not recognize that simple reality, that person is unfit to be an American citizen.

[NTHockey]

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Thomas Jefferson

[trebb]

Some folks are so used to a corrupt and power hungry set of “rulers” that they cannot conceive that some would actually have government serve the people instead of the other way around - Reagan warned us how quickly Freedom can evaporate and our idyllic verbal responses as the Left has made it so should shame us.

[VOR78]

Seems a bit laughable to me to believe that a group of people who had just finished fighting a war of independence against a tyrannical British monarchy would not want their descendants to have that same capability should the need ever arise again. Further, placing the second amendment in the context of the entire Bill of Rights, which as a whole is a check on the power of government against its people, would seem to take the liberal anti-gun premise from laughable to the realm of the absurd. For anyone with an IQ above room temperature, its rather obvious that Ted Cruz is correct.

Then again, logic and common sense have never been strong points for the vast majority of liberals.

[conservativejoy]

Good Post. SOOO True!

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

It’s important to note that at the time our constitution was written, there were no police departments as such; only constables, watchmen, and volunteers.

On learning this, gun control types would jump in and say, “now that we have police, we no longer need guns”. But this is a false conclusion. Instead, this was not a subject for debate at the time; the assumption being that “the people *are* the police.”

Taking this point of view, uniformed, organized police are just a *convenience* to the public, and the authority of the uniformed police directly descends from the police authority. And that is how the founding fathers viewed the second amendment.

This is seen today in the myriad strict rules that police must obey as our proxies in law enforcement. Importantly, rules that ordinary citizens are not constrained by.

Think of a shooting. No matter the circumstances, police officers are grilled, examined, and must testify to the events before boards, inquests and trials, and are put on temporary desk duty. But if an ordinary citizen shoots someone, if the police determine the shooting was legitimate, that can be the end of it. The citizenry truly have “a license to kill”, if doing so stops a serious felony from taking place.

[Yosemitest]

The best cure for LIBERALS is the grave.


“A traitor is everyone who does not agree with me.”
King George III


The United States Citizens KNOW that they're going to have to fight TYRANTS in their own government.
You can not protect life, without the ability to take life.

While you are WAITING for the police to respond, someone could be losing their life.
All people of a responsible age should be armed.

As EternalVigilance reminded us:

The Second Amendment IS Pro-Life.

"Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these:
First, a right to life;
Secondly, to liberty;
Thirdly, to property;
together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can.
These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation,
commonly called the first law of nature...
In short, it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into society,
to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights;
when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution,
is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights;
the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property.
If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right,
the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation.
The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty,
it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift
and voluntarily become a slave."




-- Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists

Click here to read the 12 page pamphlet.

Let us NEVER FORGET THAT !

Let's subjugate them to OUR end game, DUST!
"COMPROMISE" is a DIRTY word!
People who study the Bible know that COMPROMISE almost always leads to destruction.


It's time to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies!
"Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.


The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
We need to learn from the Swiss and implement their "gun control measures" here in the United States right now, today!
These laws are the ones we should shove into the "2nd Amendment Haters" faces.

" Today, military service for Swiss males is universal. At about age 20, every Swiss male goes through 118 consecutive days of recruit training in the Rekrutenschule. ...

Even before required training begins, young men and women may take optional courses with the Swiss army's M57 assault rifle.
They keep that gun at home for three months and receive six half-day training sessions.

From age 21 to 32, a Swiss man serves as a "frontline" troop in the Auszug, and devotes three weeks a year (in eight of the 12 years) to continued training.
From age 33 to 42, he serves in the Landwehr (like America's National Guard); every few years, he reports for two-week training periods.
Finally, from ages 43, to 50, he serves in the Landsturm; in this period, he only spends 13 days total in "home guard courses."

Over a soldier's career he also spends scattered days on mandatory equipment inspections and required target practice.
Thus, in a 30-year mandatory military career, a Swiss man only spends about one year in direct military service.
Following discharge from the regular army, men serve on reserve status until age 50 (55 for officers).

By the Federal Constitution of 1874, military servicemen are given their first equipment, clothing and arms.
After the first training period, conscripts must keep gun, ammunition and equipment an ihrem Wohnort ("in their homes") until the end of their term of service.

Today, enlisted men are issued M57 AUTOMATIC assault rifles and officers are given pistol.
Each reservist is issued 24 rounds of ammunition in sealed packs for emergency use.
(Contrary to Handgun Control's claim that "all ammunition must be accounted for," the emergency ammunition is the only ammo that requires accounting.)

After discharge from service, the man is given a bolt rifle free from registration or obligation.
Starting in the 1994, the government will GIVE ex-reservists assault rifles. Officers carry pistols rather than rifles and are given their pistols the end of their service.

When the government adopts a new infantry rifle, it sells the old ones to the public.

Reservists are encouraged to buy MILITARY ammunition
(7.5 and 5.6mm-5.56 mm in other countries-for rifles and 9 and 7.65 mm Luger for pistols)
which is sold AT COST by the government, for target practice .
Non-military ammunition for long-gun hunting and .22 Long Rifle (LR) ammo are not subsidized, but are subject to NO sales controls.
Non-military non-hunting ammunition more powerful than .22 LR (such as .38 Spl.) is registered at the time of sale.

Swiss military ammo must be registered IF bought at a private store, BUT NEED NOT BE REGISTERED IF bought at a range.
The nation's 3,000 shooting ranges sell the overwhelming majority of ammunition.
Technically, ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range, but the rule is barely known and almost never obeyed.

The army SELLS a variety of machine guns, submachine guns, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers and cannons.
Purchasers of these weapons require an EASILY OBTAINED cantonal license, and the weapons are registered.
In a nation of six million people, there are at least two million guns, including 600,000 FULLY AUTOMATIC assault rifles, half a million pistols, and numerous machine guns.
Virtually every home has a gun.

Besides SUBSIDIZED military surplus, the Swiss can buy other firearms easily too.
While long guns require NO special purchase procedures, handguns are sold only to those with a Waffenerwerbsschien (purchase certificate) issued by a cantonal authority.
A certificate is issued to every applicant over 18 who is not a criminal or mentally infirm.

There are NO restrictions on the carrying of long guns.
About half the cantons have strict permit procedures for carrying handguns, and the other half have NO rules at all.
There is NO discernible difference in the crime rate between the cantons as a result of the different policies.

Thanks to a lawsuit brought by the Swiss gun lobby, semi-automatic rifles require NO PURCHASE PERMIT and are NOT registered by the government.
Thus, the ONLY long guns registered by the government are FULL AUTOMATICS."

The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
Let's adopt THEIR LAWS !

Remember:

The beauty of the Second Amendment is
that it will not be needed
until they TRY to take it.

Read Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, IT'S ABOUT TYRANNY .

[FredZarguna]

Like you, I grew up with 6.023x10²³. The current measured value is 6.0221413x10²³, so they're getting off easy. Ought'a keep'em out of trouble for a while.

[Georgia Girl 2]

.” It suggests the silliest such the idea is that the framers wanted to “preserve the possibility, or even encourage, the idea of armed rebellion against the government.”

I wonder what The Times thought the Bundy Ranch was? Wait til they find out about the OathKeepers at the Sugar Pine Mine in Oregon. That’s getting ready to go hot.

[SoConPubbie]

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If you want on/off this ping list, please let me know.

Please beware, this is a high-volume ping list!

CRUZ or LOSE!

CRUZ or LOSE!

[SoConPubbie]

So dp0622, do you want to be added to the Ted Cruz Ping List?

As posted, you will start getting hammered with a lot of pings because since he announced, there is a lot of news where Ted Cruz is concerned.

[American Constitutionalist]

A VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON IS A VOTE FOR A PRIVILEGED WHITE WEALTHY RICH OLD ROYAL DEMOCRAT.

[American Constitutionalist]

LOVE IT !

James Madison “ subordinate government...

A subordinate government in subjection to the will of THE PEOPLE, derives it’s just powers from the “ consent “ of the governed....

A tyrannical government that does NOT have the consent of the people, or get the consent of the people is governmental forced rape..

[American Constitutionalist]

I had a debate with a Christian once about that the bible tells us to obey our government and authorities since God is the one who ordained all governments.

I told this christian, to obey government to the point that if his wife was a nurse and a Christian and was told to perform a abortion ?

Or obey to the point where the church is forced to ordain homosexuals in the ministry and pulpit ?

He hemmed and yawed , stuttered and all he said to me is that is not what it really means.

Then I told him, “ GOD SAVE KIND GEORGE III , “

Since ? with that frame of thinking : George Washington, John Adams, Samuel Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin were all rebels,

and I ask him ?

Do you think that the United States of America is a rebellious illegitimate country ?

I should have asked him,

Why then ?

Do you ? celebrate the 4th of July ? if you think we should have obeyed Tyrannical King George III if you feel that is what the bible is saying.

[dp0622]

YES!!!

[dp0622]

YES!!!

[SoConPubbie]

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[dp0622]

thanks!

[exnavy]

Better still, recover theirs from their cold dead hands. Real men will not try to take away your firearm.