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This evangelist asked a gay bakery to make a traditional marriage cake. Now he may face charges.
LifeSiteNews ^ | 4/9/15 | Kirsten Andersen

Posted on 04/10/2015 12:33:57 PM PDT by wagglebee

April 9, 2015 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Joshua Feuerstein was just trying to make a point. Now, he may face legal action, as a bakery that refused to provide him with a cake opposing same-sex “marriage” threatens to sue him for taking their conversation public. The bakery owner is also threatening to press charges related to the recording of the phone call.

In the wake of heated national debate over whether business owners should have the right to refuse to participate in same-sex “weddings” that violate their religious beliefs, Feuerstein, an internet evangelist, decided to see if pro-gay business owners would give him the same deference as a Christian that homosexual activists are demanding Christian business owners give to same-sex couples, even if they disagreed with his worldview.

He made a tape of himself calling Florida-based bakery “Cut the Cake” and asking them to make a cake decorated with the words, “We do not support gay marriage.” As Feuerstein expected, the bakery – which calls itself LGBT-friendly and advertises same-sex “wedding” services in gay publications – refused and hung up the phone.

"We wanted to see if a pro-LGBT bakery would bake a cake for something that it was opposed to what they believed in,” Feuerstein told Florida’s WESH 2 News, “and you know what, I actually believe that Cut the Cake has every right as an American to refuse to print that on a cake.”

Feuerstein posted video of the phone call to YouTube with commentary explaining his position. “Cut the Cake[‘s owner]…refuses to make an anti-gay ‘marriage’ cake, so it obviously violates her principles, and so she doesn’t feel like she should be forced to make the cake,” Feuerstein said in the video. “And yet…there’s all of this hoopla going around because Christian bakeries think that they shouldn’t be forced.”

“Look, this is not about discrimination,” Feuerstein said. “This is about them having the freedom.”

But Cut the Cake’s owner, Sharon Haller, didn’t appreciate being made an example of by Feuerstein. She claims that as soon as Feuerstein’s video was posted, she began receiving dozens of phone calls from his fans and followers placing “fake orders” and telling her and the rest of her bakery staff to “kill ourselves.”

"I'm just afraid because of the type of calls that we were getting that someone is going to attack me in my home," Haller told News 13.

Feuerstein took down his video as soon as he became aware that Haller was receiving harassing phone calls. "I never asked people to call, be hateful or boycott them," Feuerstein told WKMG 6.

But Haller quickly reposted the video to YouTube, along with a description classifying Feuerstein’s phone call as an “attack.” She asked people to “put a stop to people like Joshua Feuerstein” by donating to her GoFundMe page, which has raised more than $14,000.

Haller is also threatening to press charges, saying Feuerstein’s recording of the phone call without her consent violates Florida law. She has reached out to the FBI and is considering pursuing a criminal case.

The fiasco echoes similar cases making news around the nation, as cake shops have become the front line battleground in the culture war over the definition of marriage.

In December, blogger Theodore Shoebat recorded himself calling 13 “pro-gay” bakeries to ask if they would make a cake with the words “Gay marriage is wrong.” Shoebat says all 13 bakeries refused to cooperate. Some simply hung up the phone as soon as he made his request. Others called him names and used obscenities when confronted by Shoebat over the perceived double-standard. Shoebat contrasted his own experience with that of a baker in Ireland who suffered “tremendous loss to his business” after resisting attempts by gay activists and the Irish state to force him to create a cake featuring the words “Support Gay Marriage.”

“Christian bakeries that refuse to make pro-homosexual marriage cakes are getting sued left, right, and center,” Shoebat wrote in a blog post explaining the motivation behind his videos, which he called a “social experiment.” “They get fined, they get death threats, and they lose their businesses. This experiment proves beyond doubt that the gay agenda is not just about their freedom to practice a sexual orientation, but the suppression of free speech,” he said.

Last year, Bill Jack filed a discrimination complaint against Denver’s Azucar Bakery, claiming the owner violated his religious rights by refusing to decorate Bible-shaped cakes with the words “God hates sin. Psalm 45:7" and "Homosexuality is a detestable sin. Leviticus 18:22.” He also wanted one cake to feature an image of two men holding hands in front of a cross with a red “X” overlaid on the image.

The Colorado Civil Rights Commission rejected Jack’s claim early this week, ruling that the bakery owner rejected his message because it violated an established policy of refusing to decorate cakes with "derogatory language and imagery,” not because of his faith.

The heightened controversy over wedding cakes comes as several states are debating Religious Freedom Restoration Acts (RFRAs) to protect religious business owners’ right to refuse to provide goods and services that violate their deeply held beliefs. Homosexual activists have decried such laws, claiming they will be used as an excuse for people to discriminate against gays.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Indiana; US: Texas
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To: xzins
Is there actually a law against recording and playing a phone conversation with a business?

There might be one that has been categorically ignored for years except for use as part of a broader criminal investigation.

Shows like 60 Minutes and 20-20 routinely have segments where they secretly record phone calls with businesses, so do nearly all local news shows.

Moreover, the fact that the bakery owner REPOSTED the video is pretty much de facto consent to the recording.

21 posted on 04/10/2015 12:53:18 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

How dare Mr. Feuerstein try to engage in the typical double standard of the left? Doesn’t he know that is only available for queers and other liberals?

Truly we conservatives are held to one higher standard while the mentally deranged leftists are free to engage in cheating, lying, deceit and hypocracy.


22 posted on 04/10/2015 12:53:38 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility.)
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To: wagglebee

Didn’t she commit the same crime when she posted his video???????


23 posted on 04/10/2015 12:55:02 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Never in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason.)
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To: DoughtyOne

There’s nothing I saw in the article to confirm that he did, in fact, violate the law. In many states, one party’s knowledge of the recording makes it legal. Perhaps Florida law does too. This “journalist” didn’t bother to provide that information.


24 posted on 04/10/2015 12:56:23 PM PDT by Bob (Violence in islam? That's not a bug; it's a feature.)
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To: wagglebee

Here is the Colorado law for consent to record conversations:

Colorado
Recording or intercepting a telephone conversation, or any electronic communication, without the consent of at least one party to the conversation is a felony punishable by a fine of between $1,000 and $100,000 and one year to 18 months in jail. Colo. Rev. Stat. § 18-9-303. Recording a communication from a cordless telephone, however, is a misdemeanor. Colo. Rev. Stat. § 18-1.3-401. Using or disclosing information obtained through illegal wiretapping is a felony, if there is reason to know the information was obtained illegally. Colo. Rev. Stat § 18-9-304.

However, nothing in these statutes “shall be interpreted to prevent a news agency, or an employee thereof, from using the accepted tools and equipment of that news medium in the course of reporting or investigating a public and newsworthy event.” Colo. Rev. Stat. § 18-9-305.

Additionally, a person may use wiretapping or eavesdropping devices on his own premises for security or business purposes, if reasonable notice of the use of such devices is given to the public. Colo. Rev. Stat. § 18-9-305.

The baker clearly has no legal claim.


25 posted on 04/10/2015 12:59:07 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: wagglebee
But Cut the Cake’s owner, Sharon Haller, didn’t appreciate being made an example of by Feuerstein. She claims that as soon as Feuerstein’s video was posted, she began receiving dozens of phone calls from his fans and followers placing “fake orders” and telling her and the rest of her bakery staff to “kill ourselves.”

I smell a false flag.

26 posted on 04/10/2015 1:00:55 PM PDT by mykroar ("Never believe anything until it has been officially denied." - Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Responsibility2nd

You mean the fags and leftest have been reading the koran?


27 posted on 04/10/2015 1:02:18 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Martin Tell

What a novel idea.

According to that great sage Hiram King Williams (Sr.), if you mind your own business you’ll stay busy all the time.


28 posted on 04/10/2015 1:02:36 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: Bob

I just noticed that there’s also no indication of his location when he made the call. Interstate calls may be subject to federal rather than either state’s laws.


29 posted on 04/10/2015 1:03:01 PM PDT by Bob (Violence in islam? That's not a bug; it's a feature.)
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To: Martin Tell
I suppose it’s too late to suggest that everyone just mind their own business.

Way too late. Unfortunately.

30 posted on 04/10/2015 1:04:33 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: SeaHawkFan
Colorado is a one-party consent state, so the bakery has no legal claim; and a competent attorney would tell the owner he has no case.

Except this bakery is in Florida.

31 posted on 04/10/2015 1:06:39 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: rednesss

She(bakery owner) can try to sue...but since she then took the recording and reposted publically after it was taken down(thereby increasing the chances of harassment by her own actions)...she is tacitly “agreeing” to the recording by airing it publically. She should have consulted a lawyer first before reposting the recording!


32 posted on 04/10/2015 1:08:48 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (If Hitler, Nazi, OR...McCarthy are mentioned in an argument, then the argument is over!)
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To: DoughtyOne

It’s true he set himself up...but when he took the recording down and the bakery owner put the recording back up...the bakery owner is signaling tacit approval of the recording by airing it publically. This case is over before it starts!


33 posted on 04/10/2015 1:11:26 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (If Hitler, Nazi, OR...McCarthy are mentioned in an argument, then the argument is over!)
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To: Bob

That may not be the case. In this instance http://www.schiffhardin.com/File%20Library/Publications%20%28File%20Based%29/HTML/lit_080106index.html California state law was held to be applicable, and not federal or Georgia’s laws.


34 posted on 04/10/2015 1:16:04 PM PDT by rednesss (fascism is the union,marriage,merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power)
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To: SeaHawkFan

If the call originated in Colorado, then the caller is pretty safe, although there are some cases that have allowed the person who was called to claim the protection of their state’s statute. The decisions go both ways, just like this baker, so it depends on Florida law and what judge hears it.


35 posted on 04/10/2015 1:27:06 PM PDT by Defiant (Making Stephy a news anchor is like making an arsonist the fire chief.)
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To: SeaHawkFan
The baker clearly has no legal claim.

In Colorado, yes.

36 posted on 04/10/2015 1:28:38 PM PDT by Defiant (Making Stephy a news anchor is like making an arsonist the fire chief.)
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To: metmom
Hypocrisy? The issue is never the issue, the issue is the revolution. The only standards they have are double standards. The only time they will tell the truth is if it will help the revolution. The only time they use reason is subvert it. Homosexuals, like feminists, are just cat's-paws and by they time they realize it, it will be too late.
37 posted on 04/10/2015 1:34:22 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Defiant

I find it amusing that people still think the law matters. All that matters is being on the side of the elites. Nothing else matters. Nothing.


38 posted on 04/10/2015 1:41:15 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: wagglebee

No, those laws are not categorically denied. Shows like 60 Minutes and 20-20 routinely have secret recordings, yes, but they are careful to do so only in states that permit such recordings (”one-party consent” states). Florida is a “two-party consent” state, meaning that both parties to a conversation must consent to the recording of the conversation. News agencies are well versed in what they can and cannot do in various states; activists like this guy ought to get themselves caught up as well.


39 posted on 04/10/2015 1:51:54 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: wagglebee

Hell hath no fury like a bitchy little faggot scorned.


40 posted on 04/10/2015 1:54:20 PM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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