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Alabama death row inmate is free after 30 years. How the case against him unraveled.
Washington Post ^ | 4/3/15 | Abby Phillip

Posted on 04/03/2015 9:20:40 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

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To: GeronL
A jury is “government”?

Too many jurists are worse than government -- when they are from among the illiterate deadbeat government dependents.

21 posted on 04/03/2015 10:30:58 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: muir_redwoods

Well, this was the result of a trial....I grant the prosecutors may have been corrupt, but the government itself ought not be indcited entirely.


22 posted on 04/03/2015 10:34:58 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: boycott

What we must always remember:

Jurors in any trial only hear what the judge deems admissable.

I didn’t look at the merits of this case, but I am ever mindful that LEO, judges, prosecutors get their checks from the same source & they are expected to produce results.

WE the people demand justice - why are we surpised when we get it, or when they get it wrong? They’re only giving us what we pay them for.

Outcome based justice, it’s what’s for dinner/the other white meat.


23 posted on 04/03/2015 10:38:06 AM PDT by LadyBuck (If your name isn't on a list already, you should be ashamed.)
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To: boycott
If the bullets have never been identified as coming from the firearm, the one piece of physical evidence falls on its ass.

The presumption of innocence should prevail. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I do not believe that standard has been met for conviction.

24 posted on 04/03/2015 10:39:18 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: KC_Conspirator

“The evil lying prosecutors need to lose their licenses and the he needs to sue the state. “

The evil lying prosecutors need to lose their freedom.


25 posted on 04/03/2015 10:41:25 AM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: muir_redwoods

It is not the government that decides — it is twelve people who decide. Imperfect as it is I prefer our system to the others. In regard to this case we don’t know if he was innocent. All we know is he was eligible for a new trial and since the evidence is gone he walks. None of us know the full story here.


26 posted on 04/03/2015 11:40:37 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Oliviaforever

I second that.


27 posted on 04/03/2015 11:44:04 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Oliviaforever

The more I read about this case, the more outraged I get. The prosecutors need to spend 30 years in jail.


28 posted on 04/03/2015 12:03:22 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: erkelly
Our govt is corrupt on every level. Corruption does not start at the state level or the national level. It starts at the local level including corrupt prosecutors determined to have a conviction, their bonuses, their promotions, and reelections; and caring little for the innocent caught in their snares. There is a reason why we have the highest incarceration rate in the world and it is because we have more criminally inclined citizens in this country. We have entirely lost sight of the fact that our founding fathers were extremely concerned about an unjust govt tormenting the citizens with cruel and unjust punishment, the idea of the presumption of innocence which is supposed to be the bedrock of our criminal justice system has been utterly forgotten.

Worth repeating. The level of corruption in our government is far greater than just about anyone is willing to admit.

Utterly corrupt, Regardless of party, which are just two sides of one criminal organization.

29 posted on 04/03/2015 12:18:18 PM PDT by zeugma ( The Clintons Could Find a Loophole in a Stop Sign)
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To: cherry
and lie detectors work both ways..

Hoping I never have to face the choice, but if the police asked me to take a lie detector test "to prove my innocence", I'd say "No - look at the odds. 1) If I fail, due to nervousness or whatever, you'd say 'Game Over. We got him' and seek/build evidence along that line. 2) If it is 'inconclusive', I'm still under suspicion, and evidence to prove it would be accelerated. 3) I pass. Then it is 'The little weasel managed to beat the machine, bit we KNOW he did it.'"

I think I'd try, "OK, I'll take the test - providing YOU take one with an operator of my choice. You will be asked such questions as 'Have you ever knowingly prosecuted an innocent man, or faked evidence?"

And watch heads explode.

30 posted on 04/03/2015 2:37:36 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
From the little info given in this piece of "journalism" we have no idea whether this man is guilty or innocent.

For an innocent man to be convicted of a crime he didn't commit is a travesty. We also know that the guilty walk every day.

FReepers, of all people, should know to do their own research before commiting.

31 posted on 04/03/2015 3:26:37 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: SoFloFreeper

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/al-court-of-criminal-appeals/1397930.html


32 posted on 04/03/2015 3:49:20 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: GeronL; plain talk

A jury merely convicts. It a judge, a member of the judiciary, one of the three branches of the government that sentences. Even with a jury recommendation of the death sentence, it is still up to the judge who can override and sentence to life. After sentencing, it’s the executive branch that carries out the sentence.


33 posted on 04/03/2015 3:50:16 PM PDT by muir_redwoods ("He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." G.K .C)
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To: muir_redwoods

Right - but it is the jury that convicts - supposedly wrongly convicted if we are to believe this story. So it is not the judge that screwed it is the jury - again if we are to believe he is innocent and we really don’t know all the facts.


34 posted on 04/03/2015 4:40:07 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: SpeakerToAnimals
This is why I cannot support the death penalty. We cannot trust the government.

I never understood how small government conservatives could be comfortable with giving government that right.

35 posted on 04/03/2015 4:48:34 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: plain talk

My point is that a life sentence can possibly be corrected with release and recompoence. A death sentence cannot.


36 posted on 04/03/2015 5:00:58 PM PDT by muir_redwoods ("He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." G.K .C)
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