Posted on 03/23/2015 7:58:01 AM PDT by cotton1706
Cruz made a smart move in getting his message out ahead of the msm hit campaign before they get organized.
“Immigration is Cruz’s weakness, indeed. He has previously said that he would legalize illegals here currently.”
It is not his weakness. He won’t make an illegal a voting citizen. The illegals would have to go through the process to be a naturalized citizen before they can vote.
I understand.
You are 100% correct!!! American Hispanics are a very diverse lot of different folks, unlike African-Americans....who remain blinded, racist, sheep in the confines of the Democrat Party and their leaders, Obama, etc.!!! Cruz was smart to open his campaign to Hispanics of all stripes.
Those relatives already vote against the GOP and will be dwarfed by the numbers allowed to vote via legalization.
Better that we enforce our laws vigorously, don’t overwhelm our system with majority welfare-dependent, low-skill Latinos who overwhelmingly break the pattern of positive assimilation seen in other immigrant populations, and will multiple those ill effects via chain migration.
As already seen, a good percentage (I believe at least 6%) of illegals are already voting, and that number goes up the minute Obama grants even just stays of deportation, as he’s doing now with ‘executive amnesty’.
But even if one were to buy in on your bogus pro-amnesty argument, that doesn’t excuse Cruz or Walker for their dissembling for their political ambitions. On that front, I’d actually give Jeb credit for at least being honest about his intentions.
(All that said, Cruz still seems to me the best candidate headed into the race.)
And there are many native Hispanics whose families have been here for centuries who speak little if any Spanish.
American Hispanics are a very diverse lot of different folks, unlike African-Americans....who remain blinded, racist, sheep in the confines of the Democrat Party and their leaders, Obama, etc.!!! Cruz was smart to open his campaign to Hispanics of all stripes.
Well put.
And most Hispanics are more culturally conservative than they themselves realize.
Cruz will wake up and attract many of them.
Wow! When did you recognize that you were clairvoyant?
Did Cruz going for amnesty come to you in a dream?
This is exactly why we always end up with a GOPe candidate. Someone speculates, lies, just throws out specious BS and the bandwagon to trash the conservative candidate, whatever candidate, begins; and so early in the race.
So he put out a commercial in spanish, so freaking what!
Conservatives are truly pathetic, walk away from a promising candidate because of what they believe the candidate MIGHT say or do.
Name any potential candidate of your choice and I can create a full speculative scenario about why they aren’t qualified. Why would that not be a deal breaker for any other candidate?
ALL current and potential GOP candidates have or supports AMNESTY
EEE | 18 MARCH 2015 | EEE
Posted on Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:50:21 PM by Extremely Extreme Extremist
All undeclared and declared Republican presidential candidates are on record as to having supported or still supporting "comprehensive immigration reform" or a "pathway to citizenship", which is of course, AMNESTY:
- Ted Cruz: Sen. Ted Cruz also supports temporary legalization status in the immigration bill
- Sarah Palin, 2008: When asked if she supported “a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants,” Palin responded that she did.
- Scott Walker: Yes, Gov. Walker supported a path to citizenship
- Mike Huckabee: Mike Huckabee supports amnesty for illegal aliens
- Chris Christie: Chris Christie supports amnesty for illegal aliens
- Marco Rubio: Rubio abandons GOP position, caves to Obama Executive Amnesty(Note: This is the 2nd time Rubio has back-stabbed the base, remember his "Gang of 8" bill with Chucky Schumer?)
- Rand Paul: Let's compromise on amnesty
- And Jeb Bush: I'm not going to post links, we all know he supports AMNESTY
My point is, WHO DO YOU TRUST MOVING FORWARD? Only Walker, Cruz, and Palin, if she chooses to run, have pledged to put border security first.
1) as we’ve seen, with out current system there’s no distinguishing legalized non-citizen votes at the voting booth, and
2) once “legalized” they would be certain to be given citizenship: Cruz would get them the critical 90% there.
Those 20-30 million “legalized” would through chain migration become 60-90 million new, primarily leftist and welfare-using, low-skill voters.
So, for all his bluster and other constraints, Cruz’s policy would so swamp us with leftist voters that his other trumpeted constraints on additional legal or illegal immigration that the point would not really make a difference. The country would be lost.
Again, I’d at least have more respect for a pol with that position to be open about it.
Yet, with even that said, Cruz appears better than the current alternatives.
Sigh.
Exactly! my initial response to this was.. Oh geez... here we go again with appeasement, etc...
But after thinking about it this is the perfect tactic: Take all of the usual GOP establishment and Democratic party tactics (such as ads in Spanish) and take ownership of them. Paint them over with a conservative message from an actual conservative. Do what Liberals have been doing to us for years: Claim ownership and redefine. The huge difference is that we will be telling the truth in a world of almost universal deceit.
That was my thought exactly. The ad should have featured him telling his story and setting out his goals. This is just and English language ad with the narrator is Espanol.
There's a wonderful Mexican restaurant in my area called "Casa Maria". The owner (Maria) is a LEGAL immigrant; her husband and children are native. Somehow the subject of illegal immigration came up with her .. and she launched into a half-English half Spanish tirade that wasn't entirely "family friendly". I summarize: she doesn't like illegals. At all. Send them back. And don't be gentle about it.
Immigration is not Cruz’s “weakness”, it is a strong point for him.
“”On Tuesday evening, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) reportedly met with 10 GOP House members in his office to strategize how to combat the push for amnesty in the coming months.””
“”Sen. Ted Cruz is dead set against any path to legalization for undocumented immigrants, unless it sends them on a detour back to their native countries, he told talk show host Sean Hannity in an interview on Monday.
The Texas Republican, a Tea Party conservative, said that including a path to citizenship for the undocumented in any immigration reform measure “is profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who have followed the rules, who have waited in line.”
Cruz’s tough stance on legalization puts him at odds with his fellow Cuban-American lawmaker and Tea Party conservative, U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, who supports a path to legalization.””
“While I don’t approve of this type of thing. We should be conducting all business in English”
I strongly disagree. I would like for all native Spanish speakers to hear a conservative message in their own language rather than none at all. What kind of message do you think they have heard until now on those Spanish language radio and TV stations? I’ll bet the Liberals have enjoyed a near monopoly on those stations.
How many threads are we hopscotching this conversation over?
As I just posted to you elsewhere, ansel12:
“Who cares if illegals need to go make a visit to family back home before legalization? That’s an old GOPe trick to try to slip amnesty in at various points in the last decade.
And the GOP push in Congress against amnesty in the coming months is simply a push to stop Obama for getting all the credit for it.
Cruz’s pro-’legalization’ (pro-amnesty) position is the weakness in his otherwise solid platform, but it is stronger than the other prospective candidates in the race.”
Legalizing the illegals here will lead not only to substantial immediate voting from them, but also to full citizenship and via chain migration a tripling of their numbers with similarly leftist, low-skill voters.
Game over. Our politics will be as sorry as those of the Latin American countries. The traditional constitutionalism, freedom and prosperity of the US will be lost. Thus, any pols’ other conservative positions will be overrided before we know it.
Illegal immigration absolutely is Cruz’s major flaw as a candidate. Very unfortunately, the other likely candidates are, though at this point I’m not sure how much degree matters, simply worse.
Your link disagrees with you that Cruz supports citizenship.
“”Sen. Ted Cruz introduced an amendment to the current immigration bill back in May that would have removed the path to citizenship from the bill completely.””
I make no claim as to the accuracy of the headline. It says what it says.
All I’m saying is what I said. All candidates will offer a pathway. I will say this... Cruz’s plan will be the most sensible.
You insist on attacking the best candidate on immigration there is, and even you say that he is.
You falsely present his immigration position and troll against him on repeated threads.
Why?
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