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Oops: US Close-Air Support Bomb Doesn't Fit on the F-35
thediplomat.com ^ | 3/14/2015 | Franz-Stefan Gady

Posted on 03/15/2015 9:49:25 AM PDT by rktman

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter will not receive the software package required to operate the Pentagon’s top close-air support bomb until 2022, according to military.com.

The article also stated that the JSF office already had discovered earlier that the precision-guided air-dropped Small Diameter Bomb II (SDB II) does not fit onto Joint Strike Fighter Marine Corps variant without modifications to the aircraft’s weapons bay.

Yet the Department of Defense will wait until the F-35 B (the Marine Corps variant of the F-35) reaches initial operability before modifying the F-35’s armament bay, since the weapon will be useless without the right software package.

(Excerpt) Read more at thediplomat.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: a10; f35; f35b; jointstrikefighter; jsf; lockheedmartin; marinecorps; sdbii
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To: rktman

Later


21 posted on 03/15/2015 10:22:43 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: rktman; nascarnation

Cuffed pantlegs are typically not permitted when welding and torching as they catch hot slag and metal.


22 posted on 03/15/2015 10:25:39 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Sequoyah101

Just how is it the aircraft’s fault for a Raytheon designed bomb?


23 posted on 03/15/2015 10:26:57 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: rktman

The F-35 is a national embarrassment. Nobody will look at it and think its basically unbeatable like an F-14 or F-15.
And 7 years to make a software for that bomb?

It took us 3 and a half years to build the atomic bomb and delivery systems from scratch.

And for extra fun, go back to 2007 or 2008, tell them to build a software we will use in 2015. Does anyone have the slightest clue what computers will be in 2022? No, and that means the F-35 moonpig will be forced to operate with old computers like it does with its targeting module. It uses the east modern one in he fleet because technology has left it behind from all that was available when it was chosen. It doesn’t carry a laser like all new planes have.


24 posted on 03/15/2015 10:33:28 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: USNBandit

“Can the A-10 carry the SDB II internally? Does the F-35 need to carry that bomb internally? “

If it doesn’t, then it has no stealth. So it magically becomes a slow, shortlegged, undergunned F-18 variant.


25 posted on 03/15/2015 10:37:24 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: SZonian

“Just how is it the aircraft’s fault for a Raytheon designed bomb?”

That is a very good and reasonable excuse! And as my old physics teacher used to say, and excuse is a reason that you are not reliable. Maybe if you are developing a plane designed to be our only attack plane, and you work on it for over 20 years, you should speak to Raytheon and other weapons builders,,,,often.

But yes, that’s a VERY good excuse!


26 posted on 03/15/2015 10:42:32 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Drew68
ya never know 8^) i still miss ol'PD...
27 posted on 03/15/2015 10:42:35 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: DesertRhino

How much stealth is needed for CAS missions? The biggest threat will be IR-guided MANPADS. Anything radar-guided will be managed by SEAD platforms.

The F-35 needs stealth for deep strike and interdiction missions, plus popping off first-see/first shoot shots against enemy aircraft. But loitering over a battlefield? C’mon ... In those cases the F-35 will be toting the centerline gunpod and weapons on external pylons.

So, the arguments for retaining the A-10 are sound and overwhelming. But this is a pretty cheap, pile on hit piece against the F-35z


28 posted on 03/15/2015 10:47:38 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Sequoyah101
100%
29 posted on 03/15/2015 10:49:09 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Rodamala

LOL! Yup. Had raggedy pants leg on fire before doing some torching. Good thing my fire watch was paying attention. That time.


30 posted on 03/15/2015 10:50:38 AM PDT by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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To: rktman

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31 posted on 03/15/2015 10:51:14 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass ("Any girl can be glamorous. All you have to do is stand still and look stupid." Hedy Lamarr)
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To: DesertRhino

http://insidedefense.com/share/167668

Note that it is one bracket redesign and a hydraulic line re-route...oh boy.

And to wait until Raytheon even gets the damned thing fielded to complete the mods to the aircraft so it can be integrated in 2022 for crying out loud. Again, timeline played a significant role in this...

Sorry, I don’t do “excuses”...like many around here who can’t or won’t take the time to not only research that which they’re commenting on, but to even educate themselves or to admit that they’re own ignorance is on display.


32 posted on 03/15/2015 10:57:09 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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""This is not a new issue to us," DellaVedova said. "We've been working with the SDB II program office and their contractors since 2007. The fit issues have been known and documented and there were larger and more substantial modifications needed to support SDB II that have already been incorporated into production F-35 aircraft.

These minor or remaining changes were put on hold until the aircraft reached a sufficient level of maturity to ensure that the needed changes would not adversely impact any ongoing SDB [II] developments."

33 posted on 03/15/2015 11:02:45 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: rktman

Single engine Ground Support with no real Armor to prevent a one lucky Bullet scenario?

Might as well bring back the P-47 if they mothball the A-10.


34 posted on 03/15/2015 11:04:34 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: DesertRhino

So who is running CAS in an environment where you need stealth? The F-35 is supposed to be a first week of the war, stealth deliverer of J Weps. When the ground phase starts it is supposed to be a bomb truck.


35 posted on 03/15/2015 11:07:43 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Chode

I’ve said it many times before, I hate the airplane because it is a product of the greed of Lockheed at the expense of a good airplane... the F-22. They lobbied against their own airplane to promote and save the money for this POS. The F-15SE with upgrades could easily and well fill the role of the F-35 for the USAF. Navy and Marines? The VSTOL F-35 is a payload and range joke.

People on this project have made whole careers out of it and it still is not finished.


36 posted on 03/15/2015 11:09:21 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: rktman

Spec sheet?
Who needs them!
*draws mark on plans*


37 posted on 03/15/2015 11:13:30 AM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: SZonian
Your link is the first that really identified the actual problem. The Air Force wants to put eight bombs of these 250 lb bombs in the bay. Right now they can only fit four. That is a lot of extra rack hardware and separation issues to deal with. That explains a lot.

That would be a nice CAS load out with a triple guidance weapon. If life was bad enough you could even drop through weather with a ground FAC.

38 posted on 03/15/2015 11:15:15 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Sequoyah101

The two platforms are not interchangeble. Not even close. The F-22 can’t do the F-35 mission and the F-35 can’t do the F-22 mission.


39 posted on 03/15/2015 11:19:07 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

Yes, it is supposed to be a bomb truck, and that is where it’s a spectacular fail. We are basically buying a stealth bomber, with networked fighter thinking, to do the job of a mudfighter.

It will never equal even the original F-18 or 16. Its a dog as a fighter, a second rate stealth plane, and the CAS capability is an afterthought. And we are buying a fleet of them.
It is worse that every plane it replaces, and in every role is takes over. Im waiting for the tanker and COD version.


40 posted on 03/15/2015 11:19:15 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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