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ATF pushes bullet ban, threatens top-selling AR-15 rifle
Fox News ^ | February 27, 2015 | Paul Bedard / ·Washington Examiner

Posted on 02/27/2015 7:13:20 AM PST by WhiskeyX

It’s starting.

As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this month revealed that it is proposing to put the ban on 5.56mm ammo on a fast track, immediately driving up the price of the bullets and prompting retailers, including the huge outdoors company Cabela’s, to urge sportsmen to urge Congress to stop the president.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; ar15; atf; banglist; firearm; govtabuse; guns; obama; tyranny
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To: HLPhat

So God is a criminal? Is that a new DNC talking point?


21 posted on 02/27/2015 7:40:20 AM PST by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: WhiskeyX
Fox News is NOT HELPING! They are implying that ALL AR-15 ammo is going to be banned. It is NOT! This is causing another buying panic, and if you look at GunBot, there's like no .223 or 5.56 ammo to buy!

Glad I've gotten a lot of reloading components...

22 posted on 02/27/2015 7:41:35 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: AppyPappy
It’s an “armor piercing round”. You can shoot through an elementary school with it. I’ve seen one round blow up a school bus full of special needs kids. Why does anyone need a special needs school bus killer bullet?

I know you're parroting them and making fun, but that stuff makes my blood boil. They are PURPOSELY LYING and impugning our motives. This crap is going to lead to a civil war!

23 posted on 02/27/2015 7:43:10 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: mom of young patriots

According to the NRA article this ban would reach far beyond the intended green tipped armor piercing bullets by reinterpreting the regulations to include any non-lead centerfire bullet that can be interpreted to have the capability of penetrating some form of armored vest. The NRA article concludes this reinterpretation would encompass most of the centerfire non-lead ammunition, while another action would ban the lead ammunition.


24 posted on 02/27/2015 7:43:22 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: MrB

*The “problem” with the AR-15 is that it is a very effective tyranny deterrent.*

And its very popular a lot of Citizens own them.

By the way, you are no competent judge, of what I do or do not need in bullets. Same arguement from Cuomo, *you dont need more than 7 bullets in a magazine to hunt* The school bus was blown up by a person.

Stay out of my house and my life!


25 posted on 02/27/2015 7:43:41 AM PST by Uversabound (Our Military past and present: Our Highest example of Brotherhood of Man & Doing God's Will)
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To: Mich Patriot

Truth be told .223 cal. is child’s play. I wise man once told me anything less than 30.06 is for the lesser man.


26 posted on 02/27/2015 7:43:47 AM PST by WinMod70
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To: Noumenon
I think that number is about to skyrocket.

100 Heads Life and Casualty Company.

Google it. Spread it around.

27 posted on 02/27/2015 7:44:18 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: MPJackal

I don’t think that is the point. I think they are pushing a narrative. The narrative isn’t “ban all guns” but “unrestricted gun rights is dangerous and the people who support it are crazy people who deserve ridicule”. If they can get that narrative to spin up, they can use it to bully the center into silence while they pass “common sense” gun laws. If you are a “moderate”, you don’t want to be associated with the “nuts” who become the subject of derision on the popular shows.
This has been a strategy of the Left on Global Warming, Same Sex Marriage, Obama, etc.


28 posted on 02/27/2015 7:44:24 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Mich Patriot
"Get" a foot in the door? these SOB's have been making rulings on their own for decades. Look at all the import bans that no one ever voted on... and that's just a starter. This BS is coming in larger and faster as the days go by. they used to at least try to make this stuff subtle. Now thy have absolutely no hesitations.

the only thing that is ever going to stop this BS is to hold the responsible individuals CRIMINALLY liable. As it is, they do whatever the hell they want and the citizenry has to spend millions on lawyers.. for BOTH sides since we fund the a-holes. there is no incentive to tread lightly, all they do is "resign" with a full pension and offer of a higher paying job somewhere else when they get busted. they are paid scapegoats and lose nothing when they pull this sh$#@%.

29 posted on 02/27/2015 7:44:59 AM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: WhiskeyX

The facts are M855 is the only one being reclassified. Everything else is just conjecture.

This is just a diversion from something else.


30 posted on 02/27/2015 7:45:01 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: backwoods-engineer

Well aware of the context. Glad to hear from others who are as well. “I’ve got a little list...”


31 posted on 02/27/2015 7:46:44 AM PST by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: WinMod70
I wise man once told me anything less than 30.06 is for the lesser man.

I AM the lesser man, but I can still kill a tyrant's stooge come to kill me with my AR-15. I don't shoot .308 rifles well, because I don't have the upper body strength. But I can shoot the AR-15 very accurately, ringing steel on every round in a magazine at 100 yards.

There are guns for everyone. One size does not fit all.

32 posted on 02/27/2015 7:46:48 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: WinMod70
re-worded to make sense, sorry:

I wise man once told me anything less than 30.06 is for the lesser man.

I AM the lesser man, but with my AR-15, I can still kill a tyrant's stooge come to kill me. I don't shoot .308 rifles well, because I don't have the upper body strength. But I can shoot the AR-15 very accurately, ringing steel on every round in a magazine at 100 yards.

There are guns for everyone. One size does not fit all.

33 posted on 02/27/2015 7:48:22 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I don’t like it but this being called the “End of the AR15” is unwarranted.


Until the next chapter and it is. Fight now or fight without weapons later, just like our lovable boys in congress.


34 posted on 02/27/2015 7:51:41 AM PST by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: backwoods-engineer

I’m talking about calibers not guns. Point being if the .223 ammo is regulated, regardless of the platform, it would be reasonable to expect “them” to come after everything bigger.


35 posted on 02/27/2015 7:51:44 AM PST by WinMod70
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

You have not been paying attention to California, which is where they often try new stuff out. CA has a partial and probably soon to be total ban on lead cored bullets on an environmental basis. The plan appears to be:

1. Ban steel-core ammo as ‘armor piercing.’
2. Ban lead core ammo as ‘an environmental pollitant.’
3. ‘You can have your AR-15s, but it will bankrupt you to shoot them’ because the only option left is bismuth and that’s expensive.


36 posted on 02/27/2015 7:52:48 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Of course they are doing that.
I saw someone shoot one of these bullets and it went back in time and killed a Pharaoh. Why would anyone need a time traveling Pharaoh killing bullet?
It sounds absurd but that’s the hook. If you can get people to accept your premise, you can lead them by the nose to your conclusion.
It’s like this conversation I had with someone:
Them: Why do you need an assault weapon? They are solely made to kill lots of people.(faulty premise)
Me: The police have them. Do they need to kill lots of us?
If I can get you to agree with me that citizens don’t need a specific type of bullet that can pierce a vest, I can get you to ban all bullets that I can prove will pierce a vest?


37 posted on 02/27/2015 7:53:04 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: MPJackal

>>So God is a criminal? Is that a new DNC talking point?

“There is no god but the Czar!”

https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&q=There+is+no+god+but+the+Tzar

Meet the new Boss, Same as the old Ba’al
—The Who?


38 posted on 02/27/2015 7:55:33 AM PST by HLPhat (This space is intentionaly blank.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

“..I don’t like it but this being called the “End of the AR15” is unwarranted...”

True.

But right NOW, it’s 62 grain.

Next, it’ll be 55 grain.

Then the 77gr if you can find it.

Then it’ll be 7.62 NATO, the 7.62x63 (.30-06), and so on and so on.

He has a little less than two years to do as much damage as he can. And he means to do it.


39 posted on 02/27/2015 7:57:03 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Noumenon
"I like it. I am so stealing that."

Thanks...and I didn't even have to provide a definition for you. :)

40 posted on 02/27/2015 7:58:30 AM PST by Mich Patriot (Pitch black is the new "transparent.")
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