I will Accept Your Surrender

Age of Autism ^ | 02/17/15 | Kent Heckenlively

[trebb]

Even if those laws passed, the decision would still be in the hands of the parents, that legislation would just stop them from jeopardizing other children in the public school system.

Sounds sane when stated like that. On the flip side, the public school system, government funded, is being used to force the hands of citizens to the government's will and we are being asked/told to 'trust them" because everyone knows what a kind and gentle ruler the government sees itself as...

[Boogieman]

Nobody is forcing anyone.

[trebb]

Nobody is forcing anyone.

Keep telling yourself that - as you either acquiesce or find yourself able to access fewer and fewer "services".

[Boogieman]

“Keep telling yourself that”

The truth? Why, yes, I think I will keep telling myself the truth.

[azkathy]

This is an interesting article linked here, http://fearlessparent.org/un-informed-consent-whats-going-on-with-merck-co-part-2/ quoting, "BIG PEOPLE NEED SHOTS, TOO We think about vaccines as mostly for children. Adults should know that we will be targeted for a lot more vaccines. Here’s a recent position paper “National Adult Immunization Plan” by the federal National Vaccine Program Office published on 2/5/15. Check out what they have to say about: 2020 “healthy people target levels” by vaccine with separate goals for all adults, healthcare workers, and pregnant women (page 2) expanded use of electronic health records and immunization information systems to collect and track data, and facilitate private medical records across state lines (page 13) engaging employers and faith-based organizations to promote uptake (pp 15, 22) and lots more Corporations like Merck will jump at opportunities to collaborate to increase market penetration and boost earnings. As an example, Merck is implementing a “vaccine adherence” strategy. It is partnering with an electronic health records company to give clinicians real time data access." Read the Plan for Adult Immunizations here. http://fearlessparent.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/national_adult_immunization_plan_final-2-2015.pdf

[azkathy]

Ping to #45

[trebb]

The truth? Why, yes, I think I will keep telling myself the truth.

Which truth is that - the one where the benevolent government and other 'authorities" never force anything on anyone who doesn't want it?

Since you make an open-ended statement as if it is an actual fact (maybe you think "the science is settled"), perhaps you would be kind enough to explain it in non-nuanced clarity so I can drink from the cup too.

[Boogieman]

“Which truth is that - the one where the benevolent government and other ‘authorities” never force anything on anyone who doesn’t want it?”

Don’t put words in my mouth. You were talking about the government forcing people to acquiesce to vaccinations, which is not happening. Nobody is forced to vaccinate their children if they don’t want to.

[goodnesswins]

Interesting....I went to a Diagnostics Imaging place for a DEXA and ultrasound the other day....Intake clerk needed to ask some questions....among them....have you had a flu shot? (I said NEVER!) and have you had a pneumonia shot? No....not yet. Am contemplating it, but getting less likely to get one. And, I’m over 60. I think they are collecting information now through providers....

[trebb]

Don’t put words in my mouth. You were talking about the government forcing people to acquiesce to vaccinations, which is not happening. Nobody is forced to vaccinate their children if they don’t want to.

Then you assert that kids can go to school without getting the vaccinations - one of my assertions was that folks are forced to either acquiesce or to forego certain 'services". You pretty much said that isn't true and I responded. Now you claim I put words in your mouth because you chose to ignore my premise due to it not fitting your preferred meme.

[Boogieman]

“Then you assert that kids can go to school without getting the vaccinations...”

Nope, only that nobody is forcing them. What you seem to be arguing is, in fact, that all the other kids should be forcibly put into danger.

“...one of my assertions was that folks are forced to either acquiesce or to forego certain ‘services”.”

No, you didn’t say that. You said:

“On the flip side, the public school system, government funded, is being used to force the hands of citizens to the government’s will and we are being asked/told to ‘trust them” because everyone knows what a kind and gentle ruler the government sees itself as... “

No conditions there, no “or”. It’s an unconditional statement.

[papertyger]

You see, I've interviewed enough scientists that I understand the world in which you operate. Although you tremble in fear when you confront the dark questions at the heart of why so many children and adults suffer with chronic diseases, you feel quite comfortable making others cower as has been done to you.

Physicians don't get to wear the mantle of "science" when they present their "professional opinion" like a history professor.

[azkathy]

It is odd, why would they need to know if you had the shots prior to DEXA and Ultrasound? (perhaps you might glow or something due to the aluminum/metals in the shot?? ;)

I am sure through Obamacare they have lot’s of provisions for tracking medical information. Last month I got prescriptions for pneumonia and I had to sign-electronically for them-the clerk said it had to do with the “Affordable Care Act.”