There is.
And the officer did precisely what he was trained to do.
Posted on 02/08/2015 6:51:22 PM PST by Teotwawki
A North Carolina officer shot dead a 74-year-old man whose concerned family had called the police and asked to check on him.
Officer Josh Lefevers arrived at the home of James Allen just before midnight on Sunday morning and announced he was entering the residence when Allen approached him with a handgun and refused to put it down, police said.
Lefevers then shot and killed him.
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The police were the intruder in this situation, and as you pointed, also the bad guy.
He may well have been deaf. I'm only 53 and I'm functionally deaf. I have a big sign that says to 'knock loudly'.
And I'm armed against intruders.
So yeah, this can happen pretty easily. Easily enough that there should be a training scenario.
/johnny
Once you pick up a gun, you become an “intruder” in your own home?
Seig heil, baby!
I’ve never been able to leave a house faster than a speeding bullet.
I think we are talking about situations where the cop is the intruder.
When he goes over to check on a 74 year old man, the cop thought that another 74 year old man was burglarizing the house or something?
Because the family could not get the guy on the phone.
Was he acting out of it? They wanted to check his mental state.
They didn’t expect to be drawn on. That is evidence of a mental state that isn’t rational.
Officers are taught never to draw their weapon unless there is a life or death situation. They are taught not to point the weapon at someone unless they intend to use lethal force.
When you’re trained that way, it becomes your mindset that others don’t pull out their guns unless they intend to use them.
This guy didn’t put his gun down. Too bad. He should have.
Maybe he did knock on the door, but received no answer?
There is absolutely nothing as ‘shoot to wound’ , and neither is there a ‘shoot to kill’.
What there is, is ‘Stop the Threat’! This is not a John Wayne or Hopalong Cassidy movie.
Across the USA, cops do thousands welfare checks every day, and never have to shoot anyone. Wanna talk details? Did the cops and EMS arrive with their lights on? Did they clearly identify themselves? Did they call him by name: ‘Mr. Allen - are you OK? Your uncle Bob and cousin Doris are worried about you.’ Did they try a phone call? Did the cop say ‘Mr. Allen, I’m a police officer - drop the gun!’ And, for that matter, how far away was Mr. Allen’s ‘family’? If he had surgery, could they have called the neighbors? Or actually gone over themselves?
The cop was the intruder.
Evidently it was the 74 year old man who couldn’t outrun the bullet of the man who came into his home and killed him at midnight.
ANYONE breaking into my house will be shot, over and over.
Probably couldn’t hear the cop.
I suppose then that we homeowners will have to start turning out all our lights and wearing our NVG when the police come to our door to perform a “welfare check/”justified homicide”.
There is.
And the officer did precisely what he was trained to do.
How did police determine who the intruder was?
I know that it does not mean anything to you, but the “intruder” as you refer him as was in his own home, not hurting anyone, minding his own business , had committed no crime when the police appeared late at night. Why should he have to cower in his own home? Back when we had a Constitution, the Fourth Amendment to it began with words to the effect of The Right to be secure in your home.
I’ve slept in some very dangerous places. Wake me up in an unusual manner and I’ll wake up ready to rumble.
We all have the right to be left alone if that is what we so choose. If a person enters my home announced or unannounced and I did not afford them entry, they will be shot. The notion that a cop can enter your home to check on you without a warrant is making the cop the intruder. I am sure that this cop should never have entered someone's home without other officers of the court present. I'm sure policy does not support what took place.
That idea deserves more study.....
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