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Southern California Edison IT workers 'beyond furious' over H-1B replacements
Computerworld ^ | Feb 4, 2015 12:06 PM PT | Patrick Thibodeau

Posted on 02/04/2015 5:26:26 PM PST by Bill_o'Rights

Information technology workers at Southern California Edison (SCE) are being laid off and replaced by workers from India. Some employees are training their H-1B visa holding replacements, and many have already lost their jobs.
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The H-1B program "was supposed to be for projects and jobs that American workers could not fill," this worker said. "But we're doing our job. It's not like they are bringing in these guys for new positions that nobody can fill.

"Not one of these jobs being filled by India was a job that an Edison employee wasn't already performing," he said.
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SCE employees said that since August, when the layoffs began, the composition of the IT workplace began to change. "I see a lot of Indian people walking the halls, and less Americans," said a third IT worker interviewed.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: bityouontheass; california; commiefornia; funny; h1b; humor; india; itworkers; karma; outsourcing; sce; unemployment
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To: CodeJockey
If Mooch would throw her name in the hat now, she would be a shoe in. The only ones who would not vote for her would be old white dudes.

You may be right, but still a gross overgeneralization.

Everyone other than us old white dudes have an IQ of under 70?
I refuse to buy into that!

121 posted on 02/04/2015 9:00:49 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius6961)
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To: entropy12
If the companies are so stoooopid, as to employ incompetent labor even if it is cheap.....

It is not stupidity. Bringing in a large contingent of new workers on H1-B indenture contracts immediately undercuts the position of the native workers who remain. Everybody must become more obedient and more docile, or they are gone.

A large company, in particular, can afford to absorb quite a bit of incompetence in a new work force, at least in the short term. The benefits of purportedly lower wages can be made to appear immediately on the annual report, while the costs of poor performance are much harder to recognize and easier to hide.

Keep in mind that H1-B employees are captive to their employers during the terms of their visas and cannot participate in a free market for their services. They also have no recourse in the political system of this country. This is by design.

Companies which use the H1-B system do not want a free competitive market for labor or business. Their model requires Government policies which suppress labor costs and erect protective regulatory barriers to deflect smaller competitors.

122 posted on 02/04/2015 9:01:52 PM PST by flamberge
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To: Rashputin

yep, we need to regroup at the state level, and work to restore the Republic


123 posted on 02/04/2015 9:04:39 PM PST by Bill_o'Rights
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To: entropy12
I came on a student visa, paid my own way through engineering college (thanks to my father) and I was born in India

An outstanding and inspirational story! Congratulations for your accomplishments, and may others emulate them!

124 posted on 02/04/2015 9:06:25 PM PST by flamberge
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To: Bill_o'Rights

bump


125 posted on 02/04/2015 9:06:56 PM PST by Pelham (WWIII. Islam vs the West)
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To: Bill_o'Rights

The Indian programmers aren’t usually that good.


126 posted on 02/04/2015 9:07:43 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Not deniable = Not falsifiable = Not science.)
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To: omega4412

Good luck with that. The GOP establishment is in a race with the Democrats to see who can be the most disloyal to the American people.


127 posted on 02/04/2015 9:10:12 PM PST by Pelham (WWIII. Islam vs the West)
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To: KoRn
I’m not sure our nation can survive this, but when the reckoning comes from this, the politicians that took the bribes and the people that got rich at the companies from it will all be retired and sitting on a beach.

Unless it's a well-concealed foreign beach, they can run, but they can't hide forever.
But not the politicians, the whole corrupt "professional" bunch.
At that point, "we meant well... doing the 'right thing'" can no longer cut it. If we know who they are, they know who they are.

128 posted on 02/04/2015 9:22:29 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius6961)
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To: Mamzelle

More LOVE from Jeb.

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Ted Cruz loves H1b’s. Jeb loves illegals. It’s a tag team against the American people.


129 posted on 02/04/2015 9:29:17 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
He makes $110 per hr. I cannot understand how that is possible in today’s climate.

That might be the gross rate charged by the agency rather than the net rate that your friend actually receives.

In any event, larger companies will pay amazingly high rates for what they view as a disposable work force. "Contracting out" is not about cost savings; it is about flexibility.

If your friend got a net rate as described, then he is doing very nicely.

Note that Consultants must receive at least 35% higher hourly rates than "full-time permanent" employees in order to have the equivalent income. Those who work on short-term and intermittent contracts need hourly rates that are about 120%-200% higher than FTP rates.

Consultants who cannot do this end up broke.

130 posted on 02/04/2015 9:32:28 PM PST by flamberge
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To: Mike Darancette
The Indian programmers aren’t usually that good.

Some are, some are not.

But the H1-B agency people do not get paid to be good. They get paid to be agreeable. People the world over usually respond to incentives and do what is actually rewarded rather than what is stated.

131 posted on 02/04/2015 9:38:26 PM PST by flamberge
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To: flamberge

First I appreciate your praise. On subject of H-1B visa’s, I have observed most Americans who lose jobs are in IT.

I rarely here doctors, lawyers, scientists, accountants, pharmacists, Chiropractors, Novel writers, movie actors, commercial pilots, nurses, police, firemen, teachers high schools, college professors, Insurance salesman, construction workers, government employees, workers in TV program productions, people in advertising, and a host of others occupations, complain about H-1B visa’s.

May be the American computer programmers should learn a different skill. There are just too many programmers floating around the world. And corporations will exploit that source relentlessly.


132 posted on 02/04/2015 9:44:05 PM PST by entropy12 (Dumb and Dumber to borrow money from China to protect oil flow to China from middle-east.)
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To: central_va
The founders would know what to do.

Apples and oranges.

The Founders were in a different position entirely. The threat was not cheap labor; it was the absolute control by the Crown and requirement to buy all manufactured good from England and the duty to provide raw materials in a "price control" environment.

No one, presently is prohibited from manufacturing anything they wish. The present pursuit of cheap labor is driven now by unions, and the endless pursuit of every union, public and private, to forever coerce wages for themselves higher than every other union, reinforced and enabled by the "support" of a corrupt government, seeking power, and exchanging mutual support for votes.

That has enabled most politicians in my lifetime to end their careers infinitely richer than when they started.
Charles Rangel?
Really??

And the hedonist, ignorant "entitled" voter has been perfectly willing to play the endless game unable to grasp that it can't last forever.

There is a limit to everything.

133 posted on 02/04/2015 9:53:41 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius6961)
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To: octex
Right. The cost of jet fuel has been lower for many months, but I haven’t noticed the airlines lowering the price of tickets.

You have never understood the airline-fuel contracts process, have you.

Airline fuel can't be another "just in time" process.

134 posted on 02/04/2015 10:02:25 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius6961)
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To: Bill_o'Rights

this has been going on since bjclinton forced the H1-b bill in 2000


135 posted on 02/04/2015 10:24:35 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: publius911

Thanks for your reply. I am in Red OC, myself. Thanks.


136 posted on 02/04/2015 10:27:51 PM PST by jttpwalsh
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

definitely accurate

(says the c/c++ dev that started in 1986 and is now staring at dart...)


137 posted on 02/04/2015 10:27:52 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: OneWingedShark

You make a good point.


138 posted on 02/04/2015 10:30:26 PM PST by jttpwalsh
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To: publius911; octex

But now oils/fuel has been at half price for 3 months.
Lots of NEW fuel contracts must be getting signed during this period, right?

So I will look forward to a significant drop in airline prices in a few months. Or should I not hold my breath?


139 posted on 02/04/2015 10:43:10 PM PST by entropy12 (Dumb and Dumber to borrow money from China to protect oil flow to China from middle-east.)
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To: publius911

Yes, I do understand the basics of the process by which airlines contract for their fuels. They agree to pay a certain price for X number of months, and hope they have made a low bid price.

The contracts for every airline do not start and end at the same time. After many months of lower fuel prices, it’s reasonable to think that SOME airlines have concluded new contracts at lower prices. ...They may not be lowering fares because they were paying MORE for fuel for awhile when the prices were actually lowering, so now they are trying to make up for that.


140 posted on 02/04/2015 11:32:00 PM PST by octex
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