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CDC: “Possibility” that vaccines rarely trigger autism (AUDIO)
SharylAttkisson.com ^ | January 25, 2015 | Sharyl Attkisson

Posted on 01/26/2015 5:27:28 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

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CDC’s immunization safety director says it’s a “possibility” that vaccines rarely trigger autism but “it’s hard to predict who those children might be.” (They’re not even trying.)

[This article was first published on Sept. 2, 2014]

A CDC senior epidemiologist stepped forward last week to say that he and his CDC colleagues omitted data that linked MMR vaccine to autism in a 2004 study. The scientist, William Thompson, said “I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information.”

Dr. Frank DeStefano, CDC Director of Immunization Safety

Dr. Frank DeStefano, CDC Director of Immunization Safety

A coauthor of the questioned study is Dr. Frank DeStefano, Director of the CDC Immunization Safety Office. In a telephone interview last week, DeStefano defended the study and reiterated the commonly accepted position that there’s no “causal” link between vaccines and autism.

But he acknowledged the prospect that vaccines might rarely trigger autism.

“I guess, that, that is a possibility,” said DeStefano. “It’s hard to predict who those children might be, but certainly, individual cases can be studied to look at those possibilities.”

It is a significant admission from a leading health official at an agency that has worked for nearly 15 years to dispel the public of any notion of a tie between vaccines and autism. Vaccines are among the most heralded medical inventions of our time. Billions of people have been vaccinated worldwide, countless lives have been saved and debilitating injuries prevented. The possibility that vaccines may also partly be responsible for autism, in individual cases, is not something public health officials are typically eager to address.

One such individual case is that of Hannah Poling.

Listen to Dr. DeStefano’s interview

Hannah Poling

Hannah Poling was considered normal, happy and precocious until 19 months of age when she was vaccinated against nine diseases in one doctor’s visit: measles, mumps, rubella, polio, varicella, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, and Haemophilus influenzae. Afterward, she developed high fevers, had screaming fits, stopped eating, didn’t respond when spoken to and began showing signs of autism.

As vaccination has grown into a multi-billion dollar industry, children have gone from being inoculated against four diseases in 1953 to today’s recommended schedule of shots for 16 diseases requiring 49 doses by age 6. The government and pharmaceutical industry have said evidence shows babies’ systems can easily handle the immune boost.

The little known "vaccine court" handles vaccine injury claims

In federal “vaccine court,” the U.S. government defends injury claims on behalf of vaccine makers

In 2002, Hannah’s parents—her father a neurologist, her mother a nurse and attorney—filed a claim in a specially-created federal vaccine court in which the U.S. Department of Justice defends vaccine interests. Hannah was to serve as a test case to help decide the outcome of thousands of vaccine-autism claims.

The case was strong. In 2007, contemplating Hannah would win her claim, sources say the vaccine court analyzed what the broader financial impact might be. It found that a flood of similar vaccine-autism claims would quickly deplete the government’s vaccine injury compensation fund, which is supported by a small fee patients pay on each dose of vaccine.

But instead of allowing Hannah’s case to publicly serve as a precedent for other possible victims, the government took another course: it quietly settled the case and sealed the results. Other families with autistic children were never to know. Hannah’s family petitioned the court to be allowed to reveal the findings but the government fought to keep the case sealed—and prevailed.

Still, news of Hannah’s case leaked out in 2008—along with the medical explanation for her vaccine-related “autistic encephalopathy [brain damage].”

In the U.S., vaccines have reduced or eliminated many infectious diseases that once routinely killed or harmed many infants, children, and adults. Image from: Public Health Image Library

Vaccines prevent many diseases that once routinely killed or harmed. But can vaccines trigger autism in a small subset of vulnerable children? Image from: Public Health Image Library

In a court-submitted opinion, neurologist Dr. Andrew Zimmerman, Director of Medical Research at the Kennedy Krieger Institute, stated that he had “personally witnessed [Hannah’s] developmental regression” following “vaccine-induced fever and immune stimulation.”

Zimmerman concluded that Hannah was vulnerable to vaccine injury because she had a metabolic disorder called mitochondrial dysfunction. While vaccines are safe for most children, in Hannah, they triggered a brain injury, according to Zimmerman.

Whether vaccines “caused” or “triggered” Hannah’s autism, the result was the same: but for her vaccinations, Zimmerman said, “Hannah may have led a normal full productive life.” Instead, she suffers “significant lifelong disability.”

A second underlying condition that was aggravated by vaccines, resulting in mental retardation and autism, is tuberous sclerosis or “TS,” according to a 1986 vaccine court case. According to the National Institutes of Health, TS affects 1 in every 6,000 newborns.

Not all children who developed autism as a result of vaccine injuries, as determined by vaccine court, had identifiable pre-existing conditions. But I asked the CDC’s DeStefano whether it was worth trying to figure out what underlying conditions put kids at risk so they can be tested in advance and, if vulnerable, spared.

“That’s very difficult to do,” DeStefano told me. He said the CDC’s priorities are gaining a better understanding of the pathogenesis, genetics and biology of autism. “And then, I think… it’d be more feasible to try to establish if vaccines in an individual case, say a person with a certain set of genes…if we ever get to that point, then that kind of research might be fruitful.”

See CDC’s recommended vaccination schedule

Not worthy of study?

But it turns out the CDC has ruled out that sort of research. A CDC spokesman told me that the agency is not “currently investigating the relation between vaccines and autism spectrum disorders (ASD). Further, CDC does not have any planned research addressing vaccines and autism.”

As of May, 2010 the government had compensated 1,296 vaccine brain damage (encephalopathy/encephalitis and seizure cases) but was not tracking how many of the brain-injured children specifically ended up with autism. 

“CDC believes that this topic has been thoroughly studied and no causal links have been found,” said the spokesman in an email.

“Current CDC ASD related research focuses on determining how many people have ASD and understanding risk factors and causes for ASD,” said the CDC.

Seven years after Hannah’s case settled, twenty-eight years after the TS case, it’s impossible to know how many similar children, if any, are out there. And the government isn’t trying to find out.

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Above: click to hear Part 1 of Sharyl Attkisson telephone interview with CDC Director of Immunization Safety Dr. Frank DeStefano about the possibility of vaccines triggering autism, Aug. 26, 2014

 Transcript:

(Part 1)

Attkisson: And is, is the pos—the current position that any potential link between vaccines and autism, secondary, any kind at all, has been entirely ruled out 100%?

DeStefano: I re, you know, I re—uh, I think every hypothesis that’s been looked at has been, uh, ruled out.

Attkisson: But, I mean, are you, are you, can I say the CDC’s position is that if anybody thinks there’s anything anymore, it’s a myth? It’s all been disproven?

DeStefano: Wouldn’t say it’s a myth, I’d say, you know, all the evidence, thus far, points to that there’s not a causal association between vaccines and autism.

Attkisson: What about secondary?

DeStefano:  Sec—I don’t understand what do you mean “secondary”?

Attkisson:  What about not “causal,” but “as a result of” vaccines, as in the Poling case? The medical expert found, you know, as a result of the damages she had from the vaccines, she ended up with autism. And the distinction was made in the medical expert, ‘well, that’s not ‘causal’, it’s sort of a ‘but for’ but it’s not a ‘causal.’

DeStefano: Yeah, I mean, I mean in that case, you know, she had a, I mean, you know, she had an underlying uh biological illness that uh either vaccination, or it could’ve been an infection that that would trigger some physiological stress in her, uh, seems to have, you know, could’ve, could’ve caused uh, um, manifestations that, characteristics of autism which, you, you know, appears to be what happened in her case.

Attkisson: But I mean doesn’t that, is—isn’t that a “link”? It’s not a “causal” link, but isn’t that a potential link between vaccination and autism if certain children with a “underyling biological illness” can have a “trigger” through vaccination?

DeStefano: [Unintell] as you call it, a secondary link if you wanna call it that way, w– in certain children, I mean ri—I mean, I, maybe that, but, you know, then I guess, that, that is a possibility.

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Above: click to hear Part 2 of interview with CDC’s Dr. DeStefano 

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Attkisson: Do you think that’s an important area of study so we could figure out which kids might have that predisposition?

DeStefano: uh, [phone noise] Yeah, I mean, I think um…You know, I think it’s something that, uh, well I mean, you know, in terms of uh… I mean, It’s hard, it’s hard to say, you know, I mean it’s like, um…I mean how how important that is. I mean, it’s a theoretical possibility, I guess the, the Poling case maybe suggested it could happen. Uh, but [unintell] cause it’s hard to predict who those children might be, but certainly, um individual cases, uh, can be studied to try to, uh, to look at those, uh, those possibilities.

Attkisson: Well I would just think—and then, then I’ll let you go in a few minutes unless you have more time—but as a parent, if my kid had whatever Poling had and we could figure that out, that would be one kid you would cull out [from vaccination] versus not worry about other kids if they don’t have that predisposition. But maybe you could identify the ones that would be vulnerable. But I haven’t seen that there’s any—is there an area of study trying to do such a thing within CDC or funded by CDC? Or NIH?

DeStefano: Well, in terms of like, you know, the area at CDC that’s that’s studying autism and possible causal relationships of autism, uh, you know, whatever they may be, uh, is in the Center the National Center for Birth Defects and Developmental Disability, and they, they do monitoring for autism prevalence and they do have, uh, studies trying to go on, you know, going on to, to look at, uh, a number of factors that could be, uh, related to, uh, increasing the risk of autism or causing autism.

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Above: click to hear Part 3 of interview with CDC’s Dr. DeStefano 

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Attkisson: I mean I think to sum up, you’re you’re saying what I, what I think is also the case just based on my own research: that while the government has ruled out any known “causal” link between autism and vaccines, it hasn’t ruled out the possibility, and in fact there seems to be at least one case where it’s acknowledged what I called a “secondary” link, meaning not “causal” but uh “triggered.” And the result for the parent, you know, may–to them it may be one and the same. And they may be trying to figure out which kids, you know, might have that predisposition.

DeStefano: Yeah, but you know, that’s very difficult to do. That’s almost circular reasoning, say, you know, kind of, you can’t, I mean, you know, the, the useful thing for parents who are clinically would be able to identify the kids who are gonna have, I mean, this way we’re identifying one certain child after the fact and say, you know, maybe in that one child, it was this or that that happened to him. But uh, it’s very difficult to make a causal link in in just one case.

Attkisson: Well, but isn’t that what you guys are supposed to do, figure it out? That’s a, as you know, autism is such a huge problem, even if a teeny percentage is perhaps triggered by vaccination, I would think that’d be very, very important to, to learn and try to figure out. You guys are the best at it, I’m sure somebody there can do it over time.

DeStefano: Yeah…[unintell] I think…[unintell] have a better understanding of uh of the pathogenesis of autism and the genetics and the biology and then, I think, I mean, and then, and then, with these individual cases, it’d be, you know, more feasible to try to establish if, uh, if, if vaccines in an individual case, say a person with a certain, certain set of genes or something, you know, if we ever get to that point, then that kind of research, uh, might be fruitful, you know.

CDC Vaccine Resources

National Vaccine Information Center


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To: CAluvdubya

I don’t remember me or my siblings getting so many at one time either. Good advice for your upcoming grandbabies. CONGRATULATIONS!


61 posted on 01/26/2015 7:02:06 AM PST by momtothree
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The government and pharmaceutical industry have said evidence shows babies’ systems can easily handle the immune boost.

Telling statement, given his admission of he & his colleagues' 'omission'.

The issue is endemic; THAT is the real problem. Show me a true government statistic & I'll show you a bridge at a bargain deal.

62 posted on 01/26/2015 7:03:07 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: momtothree

http://vec.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-schedule/history-of-vaccine-schedule.html


63 posted on 01/26/2015 7:04:14 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: momtothree

Thanks! We’re pretty excited! The girls are due about a week apart. Will be a fun summer.


64 posted on 01/26/2015 7:05:41 AM PST by CAluvdubya (<------- has now left CA for NV, where God and guns have not been outlawed! "The Miracle of America")
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To: Crazieman

They were. The Scott County Health department (in Iowa) had press releases stating the the fact. It was in the town I live in, and was in a local preschool and elementary school.

The Health department said that there as a probable unvacinated but non symptomatic (or non reported) case that was the index case. All twelve kids had cases to close together for one to the be index case. As far as I know, they never released who it was.

It was around May, 2011 if I remember right. One of the county nurses visited my daughter’s dance class to talk about it since many of her classmates had it.

In short, the vaccine was not 100% effective. The reported cases in my little town (I can PM you the town) were all between 3 and 8 years of age.

Now again, I have vaccinated my kids. But I also read the material. It does not protect 100%. Hence the spreading outbreak and shrilling on the internet.


65 posted on 01/26/2015 7:10:31 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Black Agnes
I live in a state where even suggesting your kid might not need the Hepatitis B vaccine at ONE DAY OLD will get a call to child services underway.

What state is this? We live in the People's Republic of New Jersey and just had a little girl about 10 months ago. Her pediatrician told the people in the nursery to hold the Hep B even before he came to talk to us.

His assessment was "Mom tested negative for Hep B. Unless you think the baby will be getting tattoos, sharing needles, or engaging in risky sexual behavior in the next few years, she doesn't need it."

For the record, we are vaccinating her, on the doc's recommended schedule, and one at a time.

66 posted on 01/26/2015 7:11:32 AM PST by billakay
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

they’re not sure which it will effect... but i’d guess it’s 1 in 68


67 posted on 01/26/2015 7:18:38 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: redgolum
Well, considering the vaccines are not as effective as advertised (we had a measles outbreak locally two years ago, and every documented case was vaccinated), some parents are opting to pass on the shots.

No vaccine is "advertised" as being 100% effective. They don't have to be, and everyone knows they aren't. There will always be people for whom a vaccine is not effective, and also people who cannot be vaccinated for whatever reason (too young, compromised immune system, etc.). The whole point of vaccination (from a public health perspective) is herd immunity. Vaccinate the whole population and even the people for whom the vaccine is not effective won't get sick because the virus won't be running around in the population. Of course, when people start refusing the vaccine for some nonsensical reasons, then the herd immunity is less effective and we see outbreaks of the virus.

This really isn't a complicated concept. Does it really need to be said in every one of these damn threads?

68 posted on 01/26/2015 7:21:32 AM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Crazieman

Is your healthcare a collective choice (made by government), to be made for the “good of the society”, or a personal individual decision made for your best possible personal health?

Which do you think it is?


69 posted on 01/26/2015 7:24:32 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery ea)
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To: billakay

This was MS.

I don’t know any pediatricians who will allow your child to skip their shots around here. I know a few (as in 2) who will allow you to ‘delay’ them.

It’s been 10 years since my oldest was born so things may be different now.

I asked the neonatologist and nurse at the time why my kid had to have the hepb vax since I’d been tested negative for it and wasn’t a prostitute or iv drug user.

The nurse didn’t answer my question.

Instead she merely asked if I was refusing the shot. And if so did I understand she was required by law to contact cps to initiate proceedings to remove my child to state care...

I understand now that hospitals get bonuses from insurace for 100% compliance with the neonatal hepv shot.


70 posted on 01/26/2015 7:25:57 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
Wow, personal attack much? Guess that’s all you got.

Hey, I tried scientific approach back then, and it got me no where.

Alert me when your directorate’s ‘solution’ doesn’t involve a vaccine grown in giant vats of extract of dead baby...

I dunno, depends if the alien Reptilian overlords allow us, you know the shapeshifters that look like humans when they contact us? They are the ones that they force us to eat aborted fetuses. It is part of the Demonic plan to make us Mordecai Servants.

71 posted on 01/26/2015 7:26:44 AM PST by Lazamataz (With friends like Boehner, we don't need Democrats. -- Laz A. Mataz, 2015)
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To: Lazamataz

Are you anti abortion.

Yes or no.


72 posted on 01/26/2015 7:27:57 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
Physical appearance of the Ciakar royalty: Scaled color white or beige or Dark greenish brown . Height 18-25 ft, weight: 1400-2500 pounds. Wing appendages and a tail is usually seen, very large golden yellow reddish to blue eyes, with vertical slit pupils.Worker/warrior: Scaled white red blue brown or blackish green, tailless, 4-12 ft tall, large slanted yellow reddish eyes, vertical slit pupils.The Draconians aren't all one and the same, they can be broken into at least seven categories: Draconian Genetic sub races: workers, scientists, commanders ,warriors ,Priests ,Engineers ,officers weight: 500-1000 pounds. For the most part, we are dealing with another species that is humanoid in shape, but Reptilian in heritage. Their leader elite are the "Draco". They even have special "wings", which are flaps of skin, supported by long ribs. These can be folded back against the body. They are also known as the "Dragon Race" and their symbology usually includes the Winged Serpent. There are elements of their species which do not have wings - the "warrior caste" and "scientists" have none.They are all 'cold blooded' and have to have a balanced environment to maintain body temperature. The 7 to 10 feet tall "warrior caste" of the species can bury themselves in the ground and wait long periods of time in order to ambush their enemy. If need be they can survive on one very large meal every few weeks or even once a year and they are very muscular and aggressive. they are apparently feared throughout the Galaxy for their fighting abilities. As a species, they are well suited for space travel due to their ability to hibernate. These reptilians have scales which protect them from moisture loss. They have no sweat glands.The scales (scutes) are much larger on their backs, making the skin waterproof. The scales elsewhere on the body are more flexible. They have three fingers with an opposing thumb and some others have six fingers and a opposing thumb that have sharp claws. The eyes are catlike and large. They have twin nostrils at the end of a short stubby muzzle. They are mostly meat eaters.The mouth is more like a slit, but they have teeth which are differentiated into incisors, canines, and molars.Their feet have three toes and one recessed fourth that is toward the back side of their ankle. The winged Ciakar/Draco have white or beige scales or Dark greenish brown they also have very long tails and have horns and they look like a dragon the Draconians live in hydrogen based ecosystems on desert planets the Draconians survive best on desert planets and they like it hot. the Draconians breathe hydrogen and are very large they are 14 to 22 feet tall and have a large liver and two hearts under there armpits and have the strength of 12 to 16 men and are very hard to kill and can weigh up to 1,800 pounds and eat human flesh. The average life span of the Draconians extends from 1,800 to 4,100 years of age. The ones that live as long as 4,100 years are the royal line of the Draconians the winged Ciakars.
73 posted on 01/26/2015 7:33:49 AM PST by Lazamataz (With friends like Boehner, we don't need Democrats. -- Laz A. Mataz, 2015)
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To: Lazamataz

Oddly enough, that’s not an answer to the question.

Do you support abortion, or not?

It’s a yes or no question.

It’s not that difficult a question.

Truly it isn’t.

Here, I’ll go first. I am unashamedly pro life, I do not support abortion.

Now it’s your turn.


74 posted on 01/26/2015 7:38:00 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Doesn’t change anything though, we still don’t know what causes autism, and admitting a “theoretical possibility” doesn’t support the claims of the anti-vaxxers that vaccines cause autism.

This stuff was already known about as well, so it’s not a new revelation.


75 posted on 01/26/2015 7:38:35 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Black Agnes

Encyclopedia: Reptilian humanoid

Reptilian humanoids are a recurring theme in mythology, fiction, and especially science fiction, fringe theories, and conspiracy theories. They are described as individuals or races of intelligent or otherwise highly developed reptilian-like beings. They are also often called reptoids, reptiloids or dinosauroids. They also appear in a few fringe New Age and neofascist ideas.

No theory that such creatures actually exist or have ever existed has been generally accepted by mainstream, conventional science, and they are usually relegated to fringe science or pseudoscience. Despite this, there are various theories that have been offered on their nature, where they came from, what their intentions are, and so on.

Ancient references to reptiles and serpents

Several ancient peoples all over the world have described reptilian beings. There are historical accounts about reptiloids devouring human children, and also tales of Serpents of Wisdom enlightening Humankind (such as the story of Gukumatz). Cecrops, first King of Athens was said to have been half man, half snake.

In India, extensive histories exist regarding the Naga, a Reptilian race said to live underground and interact with the kings and others on the surface. These beings were said to have once lived on a continent in the Pacific Ocean which sank beneath the waves. This is a recurring story throughout the world. Indian histories also refer to a Reptilian race called the “Sarpa” who founded civilisation, creating the cannibalistic Dravidians, being the source of the Hindu caste system (based upon a Draconian caste hierarchy, apparently), and demanded human sacrifice. A Nordic race was said to have created the Aryans, and when the two peoples combined, they formed the beginnings of Indian civilisation. Ancient Sanscrit texts also refer to spacecraft and aircraft called Vimana. Nuclear debris has been found in regions said to be destroyed by ‘the gods’ in Kashmir and other locations throughout the Indian peninsula.

The Hopi refer to a race of Reptilians called the Sheti, or Snake-Brothers, who live underground. The Cherokee and other American Indian peoples also refer to Reptilian races, as well as their origins in Atlantis The Chinese, Japanese and Europeans extensively speak throughout their history of beings such as Dragons (both physical and non-physical forms thereof), Dracul (devil-dragon humanoids), Vampires, Kappa, and others. The first Emperor of China, Huang-Ti, was said to be part Dragon, and was said to be born looking like a Reptilian. It was also said that his mother was impregnated by a beam of light emanating from the star Alpha Draconis, which Stewart Swerdlow and others claim is the home star system of the Draco Reptilian species.

The Mayans speak of a Reptilian species, referred to often as “Iguana-Men”, who descended from the sky to take control of their civilisation, teaching them the art of pyramid building as well as demanding human sacrifice.

Throughout the world, in apparently unconnected societies, the belief pervades that a Reptilian race lives beneath the Earth and interacts with the surface. In most cases another race, tall and “Nordic” in appearance, is described. These were the “Elves” of European lore. The Reptilians were often described as having a caste hierarchy, in which the highest caste was winged. This correlates with information from current abductees, contactees and former government employees who have disclosed information regarding alien interaction with Earth-governments.

In Africa, the Zulu shamans bear extensive esoteric knowledge of a race of reptilians who they say control the Earth—called the Chitahuri. They also have accounts of a Reptilian race who created Blacks and used them to work their gold mines, extremely similar to the accounts described in the Sumerian tablets.

In Sumeria ten thousand tablets have been found and translated which refer to an alien race which created a race of humans to work as slaves in their mines in Africa. This race is called the “Anunnaki”, or the “Abbennakki”, and it specifically states that the “Black-headed” people of Sumeria were created by these beings. The royalty was said to be a combination between “Dragons” and humans.

In China and Japan underground bases where the Dragon Kings live are referred to, as well as the lineage of humans from a race of ‘Dragons’. (there are also many other reptilian races referred to, such as the Kappa).

In Australia the aborigines speak of a reptilian race which lives underneath the Earth and governs over men. The Aboriginal chiefs have spoken of going into the Earth where these beings resided. There they claim there is extensive technology. The Aborigines say that they are descended from a race of dragon-humans that once lived on an enormous continent that spanned the entire Pacific ocean, and that most of it sank beneath the waves in ancient times, but that Australia is a remnant of it, and this is why there are so many reptilian animals there.

In Pythagoras’ life there may have been events related to serpents, particularly winged and speaking serpents, as well as a massive beast called Python, a giant serpent for which he may have been named. Timothy Leary, Robert Anton Wilson and Philip K. Dick all have called themselves Pythagoreans. However, Wilson is known for stating various forms of conspiracy theory (he is also a high-level initiate of Aleister Crowley’s Ordo Templi Orientis), Dick’s possible mental illness is covered in more detail below, and Leary is widely known to have consumed copious amounts of hallucinogens.

In the Middle-East, Reptilian beings ranging from certain Jinn to Dragons and Serpent-Men, have been spoken of since ancient times. In the Bible, the Nephilim are alluded to as being Reptilian, and in the related Book of Jasher, a serpent race is described. King Og of Bashan, a reputed Repha (giant) is called a “Serpent”, and Bashan itself means “Serpent” in Ancient Hebrew. This could refer to the Sumerian-influenced worship of serpents and dragon-like creatures which pervaded the Canaanite people before the Israelites entered that region. The Israelites recorded that the former inhabitants of Canaan were “Serpents”, “Repha’im”, “Nephilim” and “Anakim”.

Procopius of Caesaria, arguably the most important historical source on the Justinian period in Byzantine history, recounted in his Secret History that Emperor Justinian and his wife, Theodora, were “Dracul” (a word meaning both Dragon and Devil), and that several people had reportedly seen them either shapeshift into demonic-like beings, or associating with non-human beings, particularly one referred to as “The King of the Devils”, a being most often portrayed as reptilian, with horns and wings.

Many ancient peoples worshipped a serpent-Goddess called El or Hel, which was considered the God-Goddess of the Underworld, the Moon, and Venus. These three locations (underground, the Moon, and Venus) are all described by abductees, former covert government employees, and the like, as being major bases for a reptilian species from the Draco star system who have been involved with this planet for at least two million years.


76 posted on 01/26/2015 7:39:25 AM PST by Lazamataz (With friends like Boehner, we don't need Democrats. -- Laz A. Mataz, 2015)
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To: Lazamataz

You are suspiciously reluctant to ‘out’ yourself as pro life.

I can think of two reasons:

1. You support abortion.

2. You are afraid you’ll be fired or denied promotion if you publically state you don’t support abortion.

If 1, you are a reprehensible human. If 2, you’re just a coward.


77 posted on 01/26/2015 7:45:03 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Modern claims

Erich von Daniken theorises that extraterrestrials have influenced human history for millennia, and that they may have influenced human evolution.

Philip K. Dick, a science fiction writer, wrote about contact with three-eyed amphibious beings from Sirius and their connection to the Soviets and the Illuminati. This was described in his book, VALIS. PKD claimed to have connected these creatures to the Nommo, a mythological belief held by the Dogon tribe of Mali. It is a subject of some debate as to whether or not PKD was suffering from temporal lobe epilepsy. His wife allegedly claimed that he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder at one point in his life. It is unknown whether his reptilian beliefs were due to a brain disorder, the ingestion of pain killers, his fondness for methamphetamine and entheogens, or a combination of all three.

Christine Fitzgerald, a confidante of Diana, Princess of Wales, claims that Diana told her that the Royal Family had a connection to Reptilian aliens, and that they could shapeshift.

Sir Laurence Gardner, a Jacobite Genealogist, Historian, Knight, and holder of many other titles (which some are sceptical of the validity of), claims that a “Dragon Bloodline”, a “Graal”, was created in ancient Sumeria when reptilian aliens called “Anunnakki” descended upon the region and created a royal bloodline through genetic engineering.

David Icke claims that people see reptilian humanoids or dinosauroids, and that reptilian species are the force behind a worldwide conspiracy directed at the manipulation and control of humanity. According to Icke, hypothetical dinosauroids resemble one type of reptilian entity that people see during alleged encounters. Icke theorises that the reptilians evolved on this planet from dinosaurs or other reptile-like ancestors, and were the original tool-making race to evolve on Earth. Like most conspiracy theories, falsification of Icke’s hypotheses is nearly impossible, but Icke continues to sell books and give speaking engagements based on concepts from the New Age and neofascism.

Timothy Leary claimed to have contact with three-eyed beings from Sirius.

Credo Mutwa, a Zulu shaman, claims that the Zulu people have known of a reptilian species called the Chitauli for centuries. He is the official historian of the Zulu people. He mentions amphibious beings from Sirius in his book, Song of the Stars.

Cathy O’Brien, a victim of CIA MKULTRA mind-control, claims to have seen George Bush shapeshift into a Reptilian being. She rationalised this as potentially being a holographic illusion.

Paul Shockley, a self-professed psychic, also speaks of malevolent reptilian beings. However, he explains that he does not believe that all reptilians are malevolent, and that there are benevolent members of this species as well.

Zecharia Sitchin, an archaeologist and linguist specialising in the Sumerian and Hebrew languages, claims that an ancient race of extraterrestrials, the Anunnaki, genetically engineered the original humans, and that they probably still exist in some form or another, with some degree of influence over humankind. These beings are speculated by Sitchin to be either reptilian, quasi-reptilian, or amphibious, from ancient description.

Stewart Swerdlow, a gifted mentalist, claims to possess extensive knowledge of alien intervention in Earth-human society, and describes in detail the activities of a Reptilian race called the Draco, originating in the Draco star system. He also mentions a more benevolent Reptilian race called the Abbennakki, which, he says, created the Black race in Africa. He claims that this is supported by ancient Sumerian tablets, as well as the histories of the indigenous peoples of Africa, such as the Zulu, as well as physical evidence such as ancient mines which have been discovered by the Anglo-American company, dating to 60,000 years B.C.

Prince Nicholas de Vere claims to be descended from an “unbroken Dragon-Bloodline” originating in Ancient Sumeria when an interdimensional Reptilian race created the first blueblood humans, the “Aryans” as he calls them.

Robert Anton Wilson writes about the Illuminati in the Illuminatus trilogy and other books. The book,Cosmic Trigger: The Final Secret of the Illuminati describes his drug-induced experiences with three-eyed beings from Sirius.

Joking References to Reptilians

On September 12, 2003, during the provincial election campaign in Ontario, Canada, a press release disseminated by the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party contained a line at the end that referred to rival Ontario Liberal Party leader Dalton McGuinty as an evil reptilian kitten-eater from another planet. The release was not intended seriously, but did no good for the Conservative party campaign.
Peculiar Mentions of Reptilians

An article appeared in the Chicago Tribune, March 1, 1995, regarding an event in which George Bushnell, head of the American Bar Association, called the Republicans “Reptilian Bastards”. Quote from the article: “The atmosphere in the litigation debate is getting as poisonous as the atmosphere in, well, litigation itself. Eighty-two House members have now called on George Bushnell, Jr., president of the 370,000-lawyer American Bar Association, to resign after he described the Republican leadership of Congress as “those reptilian bastards.”


78 posted on 01/26/2015 7:52:23 AM PST by Lazamataz (With friends like Boehner, we don't need Democrats. -- Laz A. Mataz, 2015)
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To: Lazamataz

Surprising.

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79 posted on 01/26/2015 7:55:56 AM PST by Black Agnes
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Conspiracy theories

There are many conspiracy theories centered around, or at least involving, extraterrestrials of reptilian lineage. Many of these posit that the so-called Greys (fictional creatures from another planet in the 1977 film Close Encounters of the Third Kind, since adopted as the archetypal extraterrestrial) are in fact reptiles, and should be categorized as “Reptoids”.

David Icke claims, based on his exploration of genealogical connections to European royalty, that many presidents of the United States have been reptilian humanoids. In his view, United States foreign policy after September 11 is the product of a reptilian conspiracy to enslave humanity, with George W. Bush as its key player. (See also Bush family conspiracy theory.) Some conspiracy theorists claim to have worked out a “dichotomy of axes” involved in hypothetical interplanetary and intergalactic conflict, and place the reptilians in an evil “Draconian” “axis”, while humans are one of the species that belongs in an opposing “Evadamic” “axis”. Several other entities and parties have been placed into this conspiracy theory, with some players who switch allegiances between Draconian and Evadamic.

The Nazi-friendly, subterranean flying saucer-riding super race depicted in Vril: The Power of the Coming Race is sometimes associated with accounts of reptilian humanoids.

None of these “theories” have ever been validated by any scientifically credible research.
Reptilian humanoids in fiction

The Conan the Barbarian and King Kull stories by Robert E. Howard pitted their heroes on occasion against a race of serpent people; this race’s background was greatly expanded upon during the development of the Cthulhu Mythos, with a history stretching into the dinosaur era.

Ancient reptilian races known as the Silurians and Sea Devils appear in the Doctor Who series.

Presumably in reference to Credo Mutwa’s Chitauli and many of the conspiracies mention above, Marvel Comics’ The Ultimates written by Mark Millar and with art by Bryan Hitch features updated versions of the villainous Skrull race called Chitauri. They have shape-changing abilities and have orchestrated various conspiricaies to exterminate the human race, the most successful of these plots was the rise of the Nazi party in Germany.

In the television series V, the aliens are reptilian creatures who disguise themselves in a complete covering that resembles human skin.

Reptilian humanoids in games

In the fictional Dungeons & Dragons fantasy universe, there are several species of reptilian, amphibian and fish-like humanoids. These include lizard-men (or lizard-folk), the weak, dog-like kobolds, the serpentine yuan-ti, the aquatic sahuagin, locathah and kuo-toa, and various types of half-dragons such as the draconian.

Lizardmen are a prominent race in the Warhammer Fantasy Battle wargame.

In the popular video game X-COM, Reptoids, or “Snakemen”, are the foot soldiers for an alliance of genetically altered extra-terrestrial beings bent on the subjugation and control of Earth.


80 posted on 01/26/2015 7:58:02 AM PST by Lazamataz (With friends like Boehner, we don't need Democrats. -- Laz A. Mataz, 2015)
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