The CIA Reportedly Lied About How We Got Bin Laden [Enhanced Interrogation Didn't Do It]

Business Insider ^ | 12/10/2014 | Ken Dilanian

[SeekAndFind]

After Navy SEALs killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan in May 2011, top CIA officials secretly told lawmakers that information gleaned from brutal interrogations played a key role in what was one of the spy agency's greatest successes.

Then-CIA Director Leon Panetta repeated that assertion in public, and it found its way into a critically acclaimed movie about the operation, "Zero Dark Thirty," which depicts a detainee offering up the identity of bin Laden's courier, Abu Ahmad al-Kuwaiti, after being tortured at a secret CIA interrogation site.

As it turned out, bin Laden was living in al-Kuwaiti's walled family compound, so tracking the courier was the key to finding the Al Qaeda leader.

But the CIA's story, like the Hollywood one, is just not true, the Senate report on CIA interrogations concludes in a 14,000-word section of the report's public summary.

"A review of CIA records found that the initial intelligence obtained, as well as the information the CIA identified as the most critical or the most valuable on Abu Ahmad al-Kuwaiti, was not related to the use of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques," the Senate investigation found.

CIA officials disagree, and maintain that detainees subjected to coercive tactics provided crucial details.

"It is impossible to know in hindsight whether we could have obtained ... the same information that helped us find bin Laden without using enhanced techniques," the agency said in its written response.

[Zhang Fei]

This was the Democratic Senate report. What I don’t get is why GOP senators aren’t releasing their version.

[Darksheare]

Yup.
Heck, they played the Barney and friends theme to them for 24 hours one time, the guy broke.

[a fool in paradise]

The British press is running with the story that the Heathrow bomb plot was a hoax cooked up by KSM to stop the waterboarding he was receiving. Funny how a number of terrorists were taken down in that plot that didn’t really exist.

[Darksheare]

Yeah, and material captured that didn’t exist either.
Kinda like the chemical weapons that don’t exist that are now in areas controlled by ISIS..

[Wuli]

The one-party report of the Senate Democrats lied about what the CIA did and did not do, as well as lying about what affect the actions of the CIA had on our gathering of intelligence. They already had their conclusions before they wrote the report and those they selected to “testify” to them were selected for their defense of the Democrats predetermined conclusions. Those who had a different opinion leading to different conclusions would not called to testify before the Democrats.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: I said they are liars. I did not say they are lying about using torture.

Here’s what I want to find out. How severe is our “torture” compared to what the enemy is doing?

[SeekAndFind]

OK, what makes our “torture” so heinous and horrible compared to Al Qaeda?

[mellow velo]

Will Feinstein take back her praise of the Obama Administration? Will Obama apologize for his victory laps following the announcement that Bin Laden was dead?

LA Slimes (May 01, 2011) - Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), chairman of the Senate intelligence committee: "Bin Laden is responsible for the attacks of 9/11 and has been the head of al-Qa'ida and inspirational leader of extremism for more than a decade. His death presents an opportunity for a new and better day if the will is there. I truly hope this will be a turning point in our efforts to defeat global terrorism. ... I was notified on Sunday of the strike and have been briefed in the past about intelligence on bin Laden's whereabouts. It has been a very impressive CIA operation and they deserve praise."

[Darksheare]

Comparatively, what we use usually won’t physically harm you, just make you uncomfortable.

[Noamie]

For clarity, just because I think that the CIA lying to Congress during testimony and then breaking into committee computers to delete information is radically dangerous doesn’t mean that I have a problem with the CIA, en masse, or their mission.

Anyone who is ok with the above mentioned “crimes” (for lack of a better word) needs to get their head straight.

I am also A-ok with torture of foreign douche bags. Go for it. Get some. Let it rain.

But when I compare a partisan hack like Feinstein to the out of control elements of the CIA who would do the things mentioned above (torture excluded) I have a hard time finding a winner.

[Darksheare]

Apparently, the fact that the left is so hand wrung over it and afraid someone might be offended or humiliated?

[SunkenCiv]

Then-CIA Director Leon Panetta repeated that assertion in public, and it found its way into a critically acclaimed movie about the operation, "Zero Dark Thirty," ...bin Laden was living in al-Kuwaiti's walled family compound, so tracking the courier was the key to finding the Al Qaeda leader... "A review of CIA records found that the initial intelligence obtained, as well as the information the CIA identified as the most critical or the most valuable on Abu Ahmad al-Kuwaiti, was not related to the use of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques," the Senate investigation found. CIA officials disagree, and maintain that detainees subjected to coercive tactics provided crucial details.

Repeat after me, "he killed Osama bin Laden, what do right-wingers want?!?"

Oh, and "brutal interrogation" my ass.

[Darksheare]

I know.

That the NSA/CIA/etc etc etc spy on us more intensely than they bother to look at the Islamic terrorist is also highly aggravating.
The reason they spy on us is in part due to the fact that the left doesn’t wring their hands and wet their panties over it.

[LonePalm]

I do not think our country will benefit from more than a cursory explanation of the sources and methods used in finding and killing OBL (piss be upon him).

Unfortunately, we are likely to need these sources and methods again. Far better our real and potential enemies were kept in the dark about some of our capabilities.

Case in point, the first Gulf War. Senior Soviet officers of the time were shocked at both the effectiveness of our weapons and speed with which the US took apart the 4^th largest army in the world. Sometimes quantity DOESN'T have a quality all its own.

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[PoloSec]

I would suppose that lies are the foundation of an institution such as the CIA, eventually, inevitably the whole structure will collapse as a result.

[moehoward]

They did.

[Jim Noble]

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[moehoward]

"This was a vendetta Feinstein had against the CIA for bugging her. Since the CIA wouldn’t do that unless instructed to, and the administration is the logical choice, what does Feinstein have on Obama that she needed to be watched?"

Well for one thing she came out right away against the Benghazi/Video charade. Some are saying she is under incredible pressure to release this report. A little drummed up 'coercion' would go a long way in that regard.

[EQAndyBuzz]

Something along the lines of, “if you don’t release this report, chances are your husband will never see another contract.”

[advertising guy]

It was not Bin Ladin
It was a double

Proof ?

72 inches is 6foot

UBL was 79 inches

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