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EUROPE'S PLUNGE INTO DEFLATION IS COMING
BI ^ | 11-28-2014 | Mike Bird

Posted on 11/28/2014 7:01:49 AM PST by blam

Mike Bird
November 28, 2014

Eurozone inflation figures just released put the rate at 0.3% in November, down from October's 0.4% and in line with estimates.

With the recent impact of oil prices, that means deflation isn't just a possibility for the eurozone: markets are now suggesting it's the most likely outcome in a few months' time.

Analysts had forecast that that the rate would come in at 0.3% again, though some suggested it could fall as low as 02%

The ECB currently targets 2% inflation, but that target was last reached in the summer of 2012.

These numbers increase the chance that the ECB will have to ease policy: that might mean buying sovereign bonds (QE). Economists at Credit Suisse and BNP Paribas believe this announcement could come as early as December, while others think it will come at the beginning of next year.

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(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


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KEYWORDS: deflation; economy; eu; inflation
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1 posted on 11/28/2014 7:01:49 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
PLUNGE, Crashing and other adjectives.......

OIL IS CRASHING ($68.90 Bl)

2 posted on 11/28/2014 7:05:03 AM PST by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: blam
As It Turns Out Deflation Is Good After All

Earlier today, in typical German fashion, the chief of the Bundesbank poured cold water on Europe's latest round of demands that Germany carry the weight of the rebound from the triple-dip on its shoulders, as usual, when Buba President Jens Weidmann Friday rejected calls for a German stimulus plan, saying only structural reforms and more competitiveness would kick-start eurozone economies."

3 posted on 11/28/2014 7:09:34 AM PST by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: blam

I can see numerous problems with true deflation, the most obvious is that government simply cannot deal with it. We’ve already seen examples of this during the great recession. Suppose that your house is worth 300K on year and 200K next year. Does anyone for a moment even fantasize that the tax rate would stay constant, with government salaries and expenses shrinking with revenues? At the very least, you could bet that “home reassessments” would be the VERY first thing in the budget to be axed.


4 posted on 11/28/2014 7:21:38 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: blam

Means the US Dollar is going to continue to surge against the Euro...


5 posted on 11/28/2014 7:22:14 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (‘You can avoid reality, but you can’t avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.’)
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To: blam

Here is why governments fear deflation far more than inflation:

1. Inflation (not hyperinflatioin) can be managed greatly by the central bank. Deflation cannot be managed.

2. Inflation can be confined to its own country - it doesn’t necessarily spread to other countries who have strong currencies/economics. I.e., it doesn’t cross borders. Deflation crosses borders and can be infectious from one nation to another.

3. Inflation does not necessarily feed more inflation. Deflation feeds more deflation.

For years I’ve said we are in a very unusual circumstance where we have both inflationary pressures and deflationary pressures, and they have held each other in check.

While QE whatever has been scary, and inflationary, as the fiat money is not in circulation, is having no inflationary effect.

Deflation in Europe and Japan is certain, and falling oil prices commodity prices here are an added deflationary pressure that could just flip things to deflation. In deflation, cash is king. All other assets are a disaster.

Not an economist, nor did I play one on TV - but I think most experts will support what I’ve said.


6 posted on 11/28/2014 7:25:01 AM PST by Arlis
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To: Arlis
Good post, but I disagree with you on one key point: Deflation CAN be managed. And here in the U.S. it is being managed in a way that nobody likes very much.

The single biggest reason why this government is hell-bent on maintaining an open-borders policy is to stave off the deflationary pressures that most of the industrialized world is facing due to demographic changes.

7 posted on 11/28/2014 7:34:58 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("The ship be sinking.")
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“The single biggest reason why this government is hell-bent on maintaining an open-borders policy is to stave off the deflationary pressures that most of the industrialized world is facing due to demographic changes.”

And Japan is unwilling it seems to move towards an open-borders policy. The ongoing monetary and fiscal stimulus in Japan does not seems to be very effective.


8 posted on 11/28/2014 7:45:32 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Arlis
"Deflation in Europe and Japan is certain, and falling oil prices commodity prices here are an added deflationary pressure that could just flip things to deflation. In deflation, cash is king. All other assets are a disaster."

Copper & Crude Crash To 4 Year Lows

9 posted on 11/28/2014 7:49:35 AM PST by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: Maine Mariner
“The single biggest reason why this government is hell-bent on maintaining an open-borders policy is to stave off the deflationary pressures that most of the industrialized world is facing due to demographic changes.”

In Japan these days, more adult diapers are sold than infant diapers.

10 posted on 11/28/2014 7:51:24 AM PST by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: Arlis
While QE whatever has been scary, and inflationary, as the fiat money is not in circulation, is having no inflationary effect.

But can fiat money be kept out of circulation forever? The only way I can see that happening is if we have a repeat of the Latin American Debt Crisis of the 80's which was basically taking an excess of money and throwing it into a furnace to be eliminated. In the 70's, the 'oil crisis' had caused banks to be overloaded with deposits from the oil producing countries. There were only so many good places to invest these deposits, so they loaned them to questionable countries in Latin America. Of course, they defaulted, and eliminated all of the excess liquidity. Something like that will have to happen now, or we will experience inflation. Not sure if either eventuality is good though.

11 posted on 11/28/2014 7:52:51 AM PST by fhayek
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To: fhayek

Deflation itself keeps fiat money from being spent.

Again, as cash is king, and the real value of all other assets are falling, it’s always better to put off a purchase until the new, lower price comes out.

You’ll never buy a $15,000 car knowing that in a few months the same car will be $14,000 - just like in today’s computer world - why buy a $1,000 computer when you know tomorrow it will probably be $800?

Bringing up another deflationary pressure: technology. Today’s technology will be cheaper tomorrow.

When cash is king, you won’t want to spend it........


12 posted on 11/28/2014 7:58:47 AM PST by Arlis
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I believe what you are saying is true, but I have to ask. Given today’s demographics of the “I want it now” mentality and the very long stretch of normalcy bias, I think people by and large will be spending their cash as they think they see deals all around them. What then?


13 posted on 11/28/2014 8:06:57 AM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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... just like in today’s computer world - why buy a $1,000 computer when you know tomorrow it will probably be $800?

And what do you do in the meantime when you need a computer?

14 posted on 11/28/2014 8:07:55 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("The ship be sinking.")
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To: blam

Globalism since the 1990’s has resulted in a tremendous overcapacity situation in most industries. As a result many manufacturers are pricing to cover variable costs in an effort to gain market share. Many of these manufacturers, particularly in the third world, are directly or indirectly subsidized by governments to keep workers employed and prevent social unrest. Government subsidies distort the market by depressing prices while and distorting efficient investment of capital.

Prolonged deflation will lead to:
1) Higher tariffs and trade wars. Tariffs are a weapon to counter subsidies by other countries.
2) High unemployment and social unrest putting pressure on government.
3) Armed conflict between nations. Wars effectively employ displaced workers in the armed forces and in factories producing war material. Surplus populations are reduced during war. Patriotic fervor replaces social unrest and anti-government activities which threaten the government. Populations are also willing to endure hardship during war they will not accept during peacetime.

Expect more armed conflict and violence as governments take action to deal with high levels of unemployment due to deflation.


15 posted on 11/28/2014 8:08:32 AM PST by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: blam

Deflation is a myth. It cannot occur in any system with an expanding money supply.


16 posted on 11/28/2014 8:09:25 AM PST by Hoodat (Article 4, Section 4)
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To: Hoodat
There's an important difference between "deflation" of currency value and real deflation which is defined as excess production capacity for products and services compared to the consuming population.

You're thinking of the first case.

If you think deflation is a myth, just take a look at Japan right now. I think they're entering something like Year 25 of their "Lost Decade," and it is absolutely a deflationary cycle.

17 posted on 11/28/2014 8:29:35 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("The ship be sinking.")
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To: blam

Yes and that is why they have been in a recession for almost 20 years. No new spending for newly created families.

And to think in the 1980’s the pundit class said Japan would be a world power for the foreseeable future and that our children should learn Japanese. The foreseeable future lasted what 10 to 15 years.


18 posted on 11/28/2014 8:30:03 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: blam
Not that it is an issue for most of us but I would think DEFLATION would cause a drop in the price of gold and silver or other hedges against INFLATION.

Also those on fixed incomes would seem to benefit since their money would be worth more in buying value. This would include those on welfare. -tom

19 posted on 11/28/2014 9:33:32 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse U.S. citizens and Americans. They are not necessarily the same. -tom)
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To: blam

When you pay $6 for a cup of coffee or $15o for a pair of basic jeans in some Euro capital isn’t that largely due to taxes? How much of that $6 is even due to the price of the product?


20 posted on 11/28/2014 9:37:05 AM PST by riri (Obama's Amerika--Not a fun place.)
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