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A Navy Vet's Case For Gun Control
Daily Beast ^ | 11.23.14 | Shawn VanDiver

Posted on 11/23/2014 7:19:19 AM PST by Second Amendment First

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To: Second Amendment First
Idiot amateur Constitutional lawyer takes a swing and misses.
61 posted on 11/23/2014 8:20:40 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: deoetdoctrinae

To a gov’t or ex gov’t employee (Navy firearms...etc) more government is the answer to everything.

Actually, government is the answer to just about nothing.


62 posted on 11/23/2014 8:20:50 AM PST by wrench (Ebola is not a threat to the US. 0bama says so, and he would never lie..........)
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To: Always A Marine
"If you feel... that my 6 year-old son's life...

Good catch. The fail safe way to detect a mindless liberal: liberals rely on feelings, while conservatives rely on thought.

63 posted on 11/23/2014 8:27:59 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Second Amendment First

When you start talking about what other people should be allowed to do or own, you’ve made the case for the Second Amendment.


64 posted on 11/23/2014 8:29:26 AM PST by IncPen (None of this would be happening if John Boehner were alive...)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Wow! Excellent background on this guy! Thanks.

I knew it instinctively but was too lazy too look it up!

Probably works for Brady’s crew too!


65 posted on 11/23/2014 8:33:10 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Wow! Excellent background on this guy! Thanks.

I knew it instinctively but was too lazy too look it up!

Probably works for Brady’s crew too!


66 posted on 11/23/2014 8:33:12 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: Second Amendment First

Being a veteran does not give one a greater position of morality or expertise to expound on constitutional issues.

Being a current or former weapons instructor doesn’t make one an expert on issues related to gun control.

This is no aspersion on honorable service. But the past history indicated does not establish the foundation the writer thinks it does in terms of proposing to teach others about what the constitution does or does not say, and in terms of what is or is not good public policy.

The self aggrandizement the writer makes based on their service is, to me, unsettling.

Every soldier who has stood guard duty is not an expert on anti terrorism. Every public affairs officer is not an expert on free speech. Every chaplain is not an expert on freedom of religion.

This would be akin to someone who worked for a few years as an Apple Genius proposing that they are qualified to not only advise the CEO, but that they are qualified by such experience to advise the FCC or the Patent Board.


67 posted on 11/23/2014 8:33:55 AM PST by BlueNgold (Have we crossed the line from Govt. in righteous fear of the People - to a People in fear of Govt??)
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To: OldMissileer

This is an old leftist fallacy of appealing to false authority: “you must be X in order to have any credibility to speak on Z”

I have seen people on the right fall into the trap AKA “he’s a vet so he must be a patriot” or “He handled guns so he mush know what he’s talking about”.

Tis better to judge a man on his deeds rather than rely only upon his words.


68 posted on 11/23/2014 8:36:36 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Second Amendment First

I am doubtful of the claim that “mass shootings are on the rise.” I also dismiss quite readily the idea that because object X can be deadly to children that the only way to keep children safe is by a wide restrictions on object X.

Using that logic I would have to conclude that objects that cause even more deaths than guns must face more severe restrictions, even being banned. So should we ban automobiles and swimming pools and open flame.

My other objection is that to truly keep children safe from guns (which I suppose would mean no gun fatalities or injuries at all) we would have to factor in the big unknown of human behavior. That means we must assume that those who are considered “safe” gun owners could at anytime experience a crisis or a mental health break which would make them “unsafe” gun owners. So there can be no true removal of a threat to children unless you severely restrict the use of firearms and ban them if children are likely to be present.

All of this means when I read an argument that claims “It’s for the children” I immediately suspect the true argument is “Your constitutional rights must take a back seat to my fearmongering.”


69 posted on 11/23/2014 8:43:23 AM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Second Amendment First

This guy is a moron, their is a movement in the NDA to classify gun ownership as a health risk and a mental disorder.


70 posted on 11/23/2014 8:43:45 AM PST by dila813
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To: Second Amendment First

“40 hours training”

I am quite sure the gangs would get right on this idea.


71 posted on 11/23/2014 8:44:35 AM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: rockrr
-- Tis better to judge a man on his deeds rather than rely only upon his words. --

True enough for the most part. But when the action is advocacy, and it is here, his words are enough to condemn him to the "enemy of me" pile. The fact that he served does not override his intentions to nanny me.

73 posted on 11/23/2014 8:50:23 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: JRandomFreeper

I could make the same argument for lawn mowers, bicycles, or baseball bats.


74 posted on 11/23/2014 9:00:15 AM PST by rogator
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To: Second Amendment First
This Navy man is advocating increasing the government control over the ownership of weapons and expanding government employees to implement and train weapon owners. He's got a great solution that unfortunately has a great ability to be perverted by an obtrusive government that we are seeing with the Obama administration.
75 posted on 11/23/2014 9:15:19 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The USAF only required us to have half a day's training to be arms qualified.

I guess I was lucky. I signed up for the Honor Guard at Keesler in 1974. I had to requalify to carry a pistol and an M-16 for the guard so they cut a temporary TDY over to Gulfport where the Marines taught the SeeBees weapons handling and marksmanship. After four days personal instruction with a Senior Chief Marine, I was comfortable with the M-16 and M1911 .45 Pistol. It was some of the best weapons instructions I have ever had.

76 posted on 11/23/2014 9:21:57 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Second Amendment First

This loser (Shawn VanDiver) is a serious leftist.

Major Obama backer and member of Organizing For America.

Member of Truman National Security Project Defense Council. It has Joe Biden’s son, R. Hunter Biden on its board of directors. Remember, he was the one discharged from the Navy for being a cocaine head.


77 posted on 11/23/2014 9:26:45 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Second Amendment First
I think I qualify to comment on the 40/80 hours of government training for weapons training. Growing up in central Texas, I had 70 years of weapons training. I don't think the guberment instruction would make me much safer.

I agree that the Navy Vet should be able to comment on what he professes to be qualified on but I don't think the public should be allowed to carry torpedoes even with 40/80 hours of guberment training.

By the way, Guns are mounted on ships or other platforms. Weapons are carried by personnel.

78 posted on 11/23/2014 9:37:59 AM PST by River_Wrangler (Nothing difficult is ever easy!)
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To: Second Amendment First

Serving in the military is no guarantee that you aren’t a mentally ill liberal. This screed is evidence.


79 posted on 11/23/2014 9:47:37 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Second Amendment First

Who is funding this propagandist? Many of the statements he makes are nothing but pure propaganda and in many cases factually wrong. There is no “fringe” gun lobby just regular Americans. X hours of training? Just how does “hours” of training rather than knowledge, regardless of training, influence threat? And why does gun ownership need to be public? Could it be to harass, threaten, and intimidate those who don’t want to knuckle under to others? Where does public knowledge make people safe? This is disgusting propaganda.

Despite Americans becoming increasingly aware and educated regarding the threats to personal safety and health that are posed by the socialists, the socialists are simply increasing the push to oppress.


80 posted on 11/23/2014 9:52:52 AM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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