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A Navy Vet's Case For Gun Control
Daily Beast ^ | 11.23.14 | Shawn VanDiver

Posted on 11/23/2014 7:19:19 AM PST by Second Amendment First

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To: Second Amendment First
The training hours should jump to 80 hours for a concealed carry permit. This training should be done by the government...

Because the government does everything so well. /s

Dear Lord, what is this man drinking?

21 posted on 11/23/2014 7:33:15 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

The shooting was not the result of guns it was the result of gun control: specifically the gun-free zone policy that disarmed the victims and presented an easy target for a killer.


22 posted on 11/23/2014 7:33:31 AM PST by Mechanicos (Nothing's so small it can't be blown out of proportion.)
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To: Second Amendment First

I see someone’s mommy didn’t give them enough attention growing up.


23 posted on 11/23/2014 7:33:38 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Shimmer1

Guess he’s a different kind of Vet than me. I seem to remember swearing to uphold the constitution (warts and all). I suppose things have changed since 1967. Dear gunny. STFU and LUTFA!


24 posted on 11/23/2014 7:33:43 AM PST by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect "their" rights so they can now try to infringe on mine. Weird huh?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

He is more predisposed to an irrational fear for his 6 year old son’s life than he is in being free. It’s a canard all liberals use - the children. It is the cause of some of they most egregious thefts of personal freedom affirmed to us by the Constitution.

Frankly, as a former vet myself, he can take his Navy arms instructor stuff and stick it up his ass.


25 posted on 11/23/2014 7:35:30 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Second Amendment First
“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” (Thomas Jefferson Quoting Cesare Beccaria)

Any Questions????

26 posted on 11/23/2014 7:35:51 AM PST by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416,Feisty Old Vet !!)
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To: Second Amendment First
OH if I had the time with this man (or others like him) I would wax eloquently about the fallacies in his article. BUt I don't...so here is a quick retort:

The gun threat to his 6 year old son is a symptom of the problem....but its not the problem. The problem is the decline of the culture...the loss of moral absolutes. And those aren't because of guns....they are the result of liberals.

27 posted on 11/23/2014 7:36:16 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: Second Amendment First

Military instructor means one thing. Lived the childlike existence of life on a military base. The worst effect military life has on some people is their desire that the civilian world should be a very close copy of life on base. They love being the block monitor, are prigs about association rules etc.
Sorry swabby, no dice on your plan. Your 6 year old had no right to a magic bubble of what you think is safety. FU and the admiral, I don’t live on base. Go paint something.


28 posted on 11/23/2014 7:36:20 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Shimmer1
Wow, this guy thinks he’s such an expert on everyone else’s rights!!!!

Sounds like the meme of the RAT party.
29 posted on 11/23/2014 7:36:30 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Second Amendment First

Well, I’m a Navy vet, and I disagree. So there.


30 posted on 11/23/2014 7:36:40 AM PST by Kenton
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To: Second Amendment First
11,078 firearm homicides in 2010, versus 32,999 motor vehicle fatalities.

"From 1999 through 2010, a total of 46,419 deaths from unintentional drowning (including boating) occurred in the United States, an average of 3,868 deaths per year."

There is no constitutional right to either a car or a swimming pool, so let's ban them! It would be more than 3 x more effective than banning guns!

31 posted on 11/23/2014 7:36:45 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Gay State Conservative

None of the plethora of anti gun legislation has stopped one person who is bent on mass murder.

At least if there were one honest person with a gun at the scene of a mass shooting, he may have a chance to to stop the shooter before he has done a lot of damage.


32 posted on 11/23/2014 7:37:50 AM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Second Amendment First
"If you feel... that my 6 year-old son's life is less important than your right to own whatever firearm and ammunition you want, then say that."

Alright, Shawn VanDiver, I'll say it. Our right to own whatever firearms and ammunition we want is more important than anyone's life -- your 6 year old son's, yours and mine included. And if you are a veteran and a red blooded male, you should think about such important matters and not merely feel about them. Feelings are fickle, and must be tempered with reality through rational thought. Man up!

33 posted on 11/23/2014 7:37:57 AM PST by Always A Marine
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To: Second Amendment First
Look at world history of the pas hundred years and answer the question: Which as killed more people?
1. criminals
2. crazy people
3. governments

Now ask who should be be armed and who should be disarmed.

And don't try to say it can't happen here. We are at most one generation away from tyrrany and considerably less at this moment.

34 posted on 11/23/2014 7:39:07 AM PST by KarlInOhio (The IRS: either criminally irresponsible in backup procedures or criminally responsible of coverup.)
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To: Second Amendment First

I don’t care what his background is, this guy is a dick and his “suggestions” are ludicrous. Even suggesting a 5-10 cent tax per round on ammunition (and calling it manageable) is a non starter from my point of view, and tells me that his suggestions are best ignored by any sane citizen.

Purely a gun grabbing loser who is simply regurgitating ideas that have no use outside of infringing on the Second Amendment Rights of Americans, IMO.


35 posted on 11/23/2014 7:39:20 AM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Second Amendment First
NO government can be trusted with that much power!
36 posted on 11/23/2014 7:39:20 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Second Amendment First; All

Free men and women don’t need to ask for permission to exercise their natural rights.

Please note my tagline.


37 posted on 11/23/2014 7:39:21 AM PST by SirLurkedalot (My carry permit was issued in 1791. It has no expiration date.)
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To: Second Amendment First

We should tell this guy to go back to medical school and get a degree in psychiatry. Then he can comment on all of the mass shootings (that don’t involve Muslims.)


38 posted on 11/23/2014 7:39:43 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: TADSLOS

Vielen danke, mein Furher!


39 posted on 11/23/2014 7:39:49 AM PST by PROCON (Always give 100%...unless you're donating blood.)
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To: OldMissileer

Books? Yes he has. Communist manifesto, Das Kapital, 0bama’s autobiographies, Mien Kampf.
His plan however is ironically regressive. All these restrictions would hurt the poor who could not afford all the taxes and training.


40 posted on 11/23/2014 7:39:56 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. President zero gave us patient zero.)
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