Posted on 11/22/2014 12:05:34 AM PST by Enlightened1
Agree or Disagree? Here is my understanding.....
Yes Executive Orders are "Constitutional'. It was done by many other Presidents. For the record, this is how Democrats are defending this.
However....., Executive Orders ONLY APPLIES to the Executive Branch.
They DO NOT APPLY to the Legislative or Judicial Branch.
THEREFORE......,
Yes one branch of government, DOES NOT HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY to SEIZE the power of the Legislative/Judicial branch.
Executive orders ONLY HAVE AS MUCH POWER that is granted to them by the U.S. Constitution. Furthermore, again.... it only applies to the Executive Branch and not the other two branches of government.
Thus, by directing other fed government agencies that fall under the Executive branch to violate and break U.S. Law........., is HIGHLY illegal.
One man is NOT above the Supreme Law of the land The U.S. Constitution. He is NOT our Creator..........
If the Legislative branch does nothing, then they are simply ceremonial at this point.
Agree or Disagree?
If nobody stands up to him he has all the power he needs.
Obama has been breaking the law every time he alters the ACA without the constitutional authority to do so. Congress and the Supreme Court share in Obama’s culpability, because they have permitted it to go on. Now he is doing the same thing with immigration law. If he is allowed to get away with it, he will do it with other issues, like gun control.
Has anyone seen the executive Order?
There does not appear to be one. There are two orders that establish study groups to study immigration and report back to the president on how the immigration system can be improved but no EO that directs the actions he outlined, (vaquely), in his speech.
There is also Secretary Jeh Johnson’s order of prosecutorial discretion that catagorizes the types of illegal immigrants that are priority, but that is within the law for him to do that.
Then, read the transcropt of O’s speech and you will see that he never once says “Executive Order”.
I think that 1) he knows that if he signs an EO with specificity of the actions he is ordering than he gives standing for a law suit. 2) he punked the GOPe’s, (and the latino community), because he has not ordered any action, officially, to be performed by his executive agencies.
How does this help him? It gets the news cycle on the conservative media screaming bloody murder and it makes the latino community think he has just fulfilled his promise for amnesty. He can then say “see how radical the Republicans are that they would jump to the conclusion that I had violated the law and constitution when I actually only ordered that the subject be studied. See how much they hate immigrants and want to harm them. They have no compassion”.
Any thoughts?
Hussein Obama hates the American Constitution and is doing all he can do to destroy it. As America’s first Muslim president, he will continue on until he is exposed and stopped with force.
Everything he does is to hurt America economically, cause racial strife, cause political turmoil, weaken the Constitution etc.
Many Americans believe Hussein Obama is an incompetent black in way over his head when in fact, Hussein is working with Muslim terrorists to destroy America as we know it. Does Benghazi now make sense?
Americans are the the biggest fools in history.
Hussein Obama presents an opportunity to let the radical leftists continue on and destroy the Democrat party. The Repubs are not going to do anything until the Dems themselves join in stopping America’s first Muslim President.
Hussein Obama is a traitor working with Muslim terrorists to use liberal ideas like climate change and open borders to destroy the west. The press is still controlled by the gubermint and hasn’t been free for decades.
Many Americans believe that what we see happening is impossible but eventually even the biggest fools in history will begin to wake up and see that Hussein Obama is working hard to destroy our country. Hussein is betting that it will be too late to stop him when that happens. The Repubs are betting that America’s first Muslim President will be exposed with no clothes on for all to see. This is better than any fiction novel that has ever been written!
I submit that what Obama has done in ORDERING the non-prosecution of foreigners who enter this country illegally is tantamount to what Roosevelt did during WWII. In this case, though, the aggrieved parties are US Citizens, and Obama owes every damn one of us money!
Bttt
Iran knows the obvious truth that there is no way they could ever defeat us on the battlefield. This demanded that it come off as a sneaky "inside job".
Their inside job consisted of getting a virtually unknown Muslim to win the presidency. Since he is mentally unstable, they put one of his keepers, Valerie Jarrett, on his staff where she could pull the strings covertly without raising too many eyebrows.
Except her own...man, that is one ugly woman.
She is Iranian, but NOBODY ever talks (or asks) about it. Obama is always ill at ease when he has to do or say something she has not had time to give a yes or no on. (almost like a teleprompter malfunction).
Executive Branch DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY to Seize the power of Legislative/Judical branch
Not legally.
But actually Obama has done exactly that for 6 years and he has had the acquiescence and assistance of democrats in congress and the senate in doing so.
In fact, he could not have taken the unconstitutional acts that he has without them and their willing support.
The democrat of today has become the analog of the communist party in the old Soviet Union.
Party loyalty and allegiance is supreme and demanded by party leaders. To democrats, obligation to the party comes before and above any other, including the oath they swear to uphold the US Constitution.
Theoretical thought aside, the plain simple fact is, the President has taken the power and applied it as he chose. It doesn’t matter what the law or Constitution is believed to say, he is unconstrained.
Given the time constraints, the apparent only true way to wrest the power away is to wrest him away. If he isn’t he has no stolen power.
Isn’t is the historically proven way to deal with tyrants
You have introduced facts that to me were not previously in evidence.
As I understand your post, the president came on with a powerful bluff designed to convey a false message apparently to force action from the new ongress
Agree, of course, but your analysis excludes Marxism-Leninism as its theoretical foundation.
Your problem is that those seizing the power are Marxist-Leninists, and, as such, what they are doing is both necessary and legitimate.
Of course I agree. America can withstand any fool in office for one term... maybe even two, although I’m now beginning to fear that our side, or I should say the side of the people here, may not have the fortitude to stand up.
Our constitution was crafted so that tyranny would not win out. The checks and balances of our system has worked...
So I ask you...why isn’t there one... just one democrat out there saying what you are saying?
OUr Supreme court should have scuttled the Obamacare fiasco from the start. They might get it right the second time around.
Obama’s executive action is unconstitutional...We all agree... So why isn’t this an issue that the Supreme Court need to take up... LIKE NOW!!!!!!!!
The SOAP BOX was a bust—didn’t work even in ‘14.
The BALLOT BOX didn’t either—where’s the ‘change’ that victory was supposed to bring?
Lock and load, boys and girls—it’s up to the BULLET BOX now.
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