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I for one am sick and tired of this dishonest game.

Pope Francis makes pronouncements that are murky and unclear. They can be interpreted in many ways.

The MSM then proclaims that Pope Francis is courageous and forward thinking and is welcoming homosexuals. The Vatican allows and possibly encourages this reporting. They refuse to disagree in any way.

Bishops and Cardinals are forced do defend church teaching and are then labelled backward and conservative.

Again the Vatican does not defend them.

The leading proponent of encouraging homosexualithy within the Catholic church says that African and Asian Bishops should not be listened to. He then lies and denies he said it. The audiotape is released proving he said precisely that. No action is taken.

A good and holy man, Cardinal Burke, is demoted and falsely called a critic of Pope Francis.

All of this drama and deceit occurred at an event called the Synod on the Family. Throughout this event there was no support or encouragement offered to the millions of faithful Catholic families.

Now the MSM is angry because homosexual activity is still sinful despite the words of Pope Francis.

Pope Francis needs to stand up and deliver clear, concise and unambiguous pronouncements on the need to support Catholic families and the need to condemn the sinfulness of homosexuality.

1 posted on 10/23/2014 4:31:04 PM PDT by detective
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2 posted on 10/23/2014 4:32:26 PM PDT by MeganC (It took Democrats four hours to deport Elian Gonzalez)
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Pope's fine words on homosexuality are useless while the Catholic church still calls it a sin

Sodomy is a sin.

Next question.

3 posted on 10/23/2014 4:32:55 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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We’re all sinners Tinkerbell.
Get over it.


5 posted on 10/23/2014 4:39:05 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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It is interesting that people want the rules of their religion changed to suit them. Religion is about conforming and obeying God’s law, not altering the law to suit you.

I know some reform Jews who have a lesbian rabbi leading their congregation. Talk about throwing out the rule book.

Of course the church welcomes you if your a sinner:

Luke 5:32 For I calleth not the righteous but the sinners to repentance.

Luke 15:7 ...more joy in heaven if one sinner repenteth...


6 posted on 10/23/2014 4:39:18 PM PDT by rey
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Pope Francis sucks and so do homos.


8 posted on 10/23/2014 4:40:55 PM PDT by jospehm20
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Time to start sending missionaries to Rome to distribute Bibles?


9 posted on 10/23/2014 4:41:27 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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“I am still bound for hell”

Did he think the bishops would change that. haha


10 posted on 10/23/2014 4:42:19 PM PDT by Viennacon (Obola is a muslim terrorist & his viral illegals need to be deported NOW!)
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Sadly, he’s still going to Hell no matter what Rome says.


11 posted on 10/23/2014 4:44:33 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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" . . . never questioned that sex between men must remain a grave sin."

There is no such thing as "sex" between men and men; it is an oxymoron.
12 posted on 10/23/2014 4:44:51 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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“Think of the bishops we will meet there …”

Yes, think of Dolan and Kasper


13 posted on 10/23/2014 4:45:14 PM PDT by Viennacon (Obola is a muslim terrorist & his viral illegals need to be deported NOW!)
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Who cares what Frank says or doesn't say? Almighty God speaks in His Word and is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR:

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." - 1 Corinthians 6:9,10

15 posted on 10/23/2014 4:50:59 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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Please with the title.

So ignorant

Th Catholic Church is not a democratic institution

The theologians look at God’s Word and tell the faithful what they would do to be happy healthy and holy ( aiming for heaven) according to the Word

They don’t tell God what rules to make up and to get with it

That’s pride.

And anyone that wants to follow can and anyone that doesn’t want to follow doesn’t have to

To say something isn’t a sin that is a sin is just making up another church. And God gives us free will to do that too

When people don’t like the church they are free to leave

That’s all


18 posted on 10/23/2014 5:00:08 PM PDT by stanne
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Acting on it is SINFUL....period.


19 posted on 10/23/2014 5:00:45 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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I am still bound for hell.

One possible way to avoid this outcome would be to stop having sex with men.

20 posted on 10/23/2014 5:04:31 PM PDT by madprof98
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It doesn't matter if the church calls it or sin or not; God has already decided the issue.
21 posted on 10/23/2014 5:06:29 PM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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“Your Holiness, I could go to Hell for doing this.”
“Well, don’t do that.”


22 posted on 10/23/2014 5:08:02 PM PDT by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon...and man, is He ticked off. (I'm trying to keep it clean.))
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I am still bound for hell. Nothing the bishops discussed in Rome over the past few weeks will save me and my kind from damnation.

True. No pronouncements can save you. Prayer, repentance, and the Grace of God can.

Ezekiel 18:30b-32 Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

24 posted on 10/23/2014 5:19:53 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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Pope Francis needs to stand up and deliver clear, concise and unambiguous pronouncements on the need to support Catholic families and the need to condemn the sinfulness of homosexuality.

Frances has no intention of doing that. Frances and Obola are peas in a pod. Their agenda is the same.

And I spelled "Frances" that way on purpose.

25 posted on 10/23/2014 5:20:37 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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While we are at it . . should we apology for natural law? How about if the Wright Bros had a preference to put the wings of the plane on the same side of the fuselage? Would it be God that would be judging them when they crashed and burned at the end of the runway? Would we be wrong to say, "Hey, Wilber, Orville. . I don't think that's going to work." Would we be wrong to say, I prefer to not get on this flight?

It's not God sending them to hell. . .it's not because we say it's "sin".. ..it is ONLY because it violates the laws of nature (and of nature's God) which were put in place so that we could find the surest path to lasting happiness.

26 posted on 10/23/2014 5:29:20 PM PDT by McBuff
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The church does not decide who goes to hell.


28 posted on 10/23/2014 6:15:37 PM PDT by Raycpa
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