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To: Norm Lenhart
We purists are willing to go down to 80% of what we want. How low is acceptable to you before we are no longer conservative at all?

Norm, you have asked a very good question. You will always be a conservative as will I, but in the imperfect world of politics, sometimes it makes the most sense to vote for a semi-conservative in order to stop our Leftward drift and reverse course.

If you have two viable candidates for an office (and this will almost always be a Republican and a Democrat, none of this 1% third party stuff), one has to ask which of these two candidates will be with me more than the other?

The answer is usually quite clear. Even someone who is only 50% as conservative as me is much better than someone who is at 0%. To use worn out cliches, I hold my nose, and vote for the lesser of two evils. If my vote turns out to be for the winner, than that will blunt the Left, even if it is only a little.

Then in a couple of years, we work on getting more Ted Cruz like people into office. In the meantime, the Left has less power over us. That is incrementalism. I suggest that we on the Right have to use incrementalism to move this country away from the Marxist/godless abyss of the Left.
234 posted on 10/18/2014 7:01:47 AM PDT by Dan in Wichita
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To: Dan in Wichita

In that perfect world your arguement makes complete sense. In this one it got us to where we are. Your argument has been made since Ronaldus shuffled the presidential coil. Always next election. Always next time. And every time we elected a RINO because the dem was worse.

Today the RINO is so far left as to nor be worse. Mitch. Jonbon. Lindsay. They just promised that they pass amnesty upon gaining a majority.

I refuse to support that. If the country burns, it will do it without me helping bring the firewood.

Last time we said this time. The time before that was to be last time.

When? When do we man up collectively and stick to our word?


235 posted on 10/18/2014 7:05:58 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Dan in Wichita

Norm, you have asked a very good question. You will always be a conservative as will I, but in the imperfect world of politics, sometimes it makes the most sense to vote for a semi-conservative in order to stop our Leftward drift and reverse course.

If you have two viable candidates for an office (and this will almost always be a Republican and a Democrat, none of this 1% third party stuff), one has to ask which of these two candidates will be with me more than the other?

The answer is usually quite clear. Even someone who is only 50% as conservative as me is much better than someone who is at 0%. To use worn out cliches, I hold my nose, and vote for the lesser of two evils. If my vote turns out to be for the winner, than that will blunt the Left, even if it is only a little.

Then in a couple of years, we work on getting more Ted Cruz like people into office. In the meantime, the Left has less power over us. That is incrementalism. I suggest that we on the Right have to use incrementalism to move this country away from the Marxist/godless abyss of the Left.


Excellent and well said. The only thing I would change ...

Instead of “To use worn out cliches, I hold my nose, and vote for the lesser of two evils.”

I’d say “I hold my nose, and vote for the candidate most likely to slow our leftward drift away from freedom.”

I’m onboard. We need to elect republicans even if they aren’t as conservative as we want. We can’t take this leftward drift much more.


238 posted on 10/18/2014 7:08:34 AM PDT by OwenKellogg (Fundamental transformation leads to ... ebola and vomitus for all!)
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To: Dan in Wichita; Norm Lenhart

IMHO, your premise is flawed. Of the 80%, or 50% or..., GOPe it matters more what ‘big ticket’ votes they supported as you.

For if you care greatly about deficit, illegals and rule of Law, but ‘s/he’ votes against those things BUT votes for slowing down the rate of growth/etc.; how much does it really matter they voted 50% WITH you?

Did they not put the shackles upon your hands and feet, just more stealthily?

As others have pointed out, even given a (R) majority, we still got the Patriot Act, TSA, etc. What usurped power was restored to We/States in that time??

IOW, I MAY support a GOP/RINO that votes the way I wish on those matter of import to ME; but I have yet to see ANY even attempting to buck the system, nor support our Constitution.


278 posted on 10/18/2014 7:46:18 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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