Posted on 10/18/2014 4:45:34 AM PDT by chrisnj
Many conservative voters are disillusioned at the Republicans for not standing up for their principles, for compromising with the Democrats, for having no spines etc. etc. They vow not to vote for the Republicans, or outright vote for the Democrats, to send them a message, to teach them a lesson. I think this kind of message/lesson serves no purpose but to cut off your own supply of oxygen.
Almost all the Republicans rejected obumbocrap (obamacare) but Harry Reid and his crooked Dems jammed it through deviously. The House Republicans have passed many legislations to repeal obumbocrap but Reid et al killed them all. The House Republicans have passed many good legislations but Reid and his crooks buried them all. The media blasted the Republicans on all their good constitutional/conservative acts, but remained silent on the Democrats' constant acts to destroy the constitution. This is a known fact and all of us always complain about it. Yet we are not showing any understanding of the difficult situations facing the House Republicans. While the Dem voters are behind their Dems 100%, we are demanding perfection while offering no help. We blame the Republicans for this and that but we are not working hard to create an opportunity or situation where they can stand on their principles and serve us faithfully. Why don't we vote them into majority in both House and Senate, so they have more control and feel less pressured to compromise, but more encouraged to listen to us to enact constitutional legislations for the good of the country. This is not excuses for the Republicans' non-performance. It is simply a fact that a good person can only do so much under difficult situations! We should understand that it is human nature to be rather weak, especially when under pressure. But given the favorable situations we are more likely to stand up taller for our principles. Remember when the Republicans were the majority in both Houses - even with a Democrat president Clinton, Congress was able to serve the people well! So if we are able to vote the Republicans into the majority, we just might be able to influence them into reversing the course to get our country back on the right track. Considering that many people have awaken and patriots are much more enthusiatically engaged in shaping government policies, we can realistically hope to get better leaders who will listen to the people again. All we need to do is unite and vote the crooks out but vote the acceptable albeit imperfect Republican candidates in, then work hard to influence them...
Certainly, with rampant voter fraud, ignorant and low-information voters, AND, the conservatives who vow to stay home or vote for the Dems, there is no hope that the Republicans will be in control of both Houses. It was said that those conservatives who wouldn't vote for the Republicans are part of the reasons why the Dems won the elections. So these conservatives are in effect cutting off the supply of oxygen to their own hopes (and our hopes)!
History suggests that the Republicans are more constitution-abiding leaders. We need to create the opportunities for them to abide to the constituion - by voting them into majority and then pressuring them into serving the people the way they should.
I think we need to look to what’s happening in England with UKIP. It takes a charismatic leader, like Nigel Farange, to get such a movement going.
Farange could have tried to do what he is doing within the Conservative Party, but it wasn’t going to happen.
To not vote for the better choice because it is not perfect is a tantrum, an emotional cleansing for its proponents to make them finally feel they are the holy ones. Its like George Washingtons men complaining they will not fight the evil of the British, because everything wasn’t right with the Congress not doing everything Washington needed at the time. Good thing these folks were not Washington
Well he needed it to build the rest of the straw man argument with...
The level of stupid on this thread is incredible. I cannot imagine what it will look like in 6 months when the full court press starts.
Man does not survive by bread alone...... he must have self esteem
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Those like Rove — and that includes all former politicians who end up settling in the DC area after they leave/lose office — are there for THEIR own interests. They suckle on the teats of Big Government because they know how to get money from the Big Government THEY helped make bigger.
It has been revealed in the last 3 election cycles that several incumbent politicians don’t even have residences in the states from which they were elected.
But, conservatives, especially, have been falling for the same lines for decades:
[That didn’t even work for the idol of conservatism, Ronald Reagan. He was manipulated into selecting GHWBush as his VP, and we haven’t been able to get the Bush elites out of Washington politics since. George P is already warming up in Texas for the next decade.]
Conservatives need to bite the bullet and realize the GOP has not been a party for conservatism since Goldwater. Every current GOP elite leader has trashed conservatives. Sadly, conservatives suffer from battered-wife syndrome and keep returning ‘home’ to the GOP.
Could somebody please tell me how I am supposed to feel good about voting for Lindsey Graham this election?
Brownshirts? Lake come on. Bring out Yosemite Sam as thats the best political argument you have.
Both parties are steering us toward destruction, one is just driving a little faster than the other. There is a war ahead, and I’d like to fight that war with my children watching. I don’t want my children to fight the war. Let’s rip off this bandaid and get going. No RINOs.
Many people lead fear based lives. Stupid takes over.
Just abandon principle and call it a conservative choice. Like the others have. Simple!
That’s a good example, but I’d caution against drawing an example from a parliamentary system. It’s much easier to get a “movement” agenda onto the table under that kind of system than it is under our republican form of government.
And they are proud of it. Genuinely proud of the stupid.
In that perfect world your arguement makes complete sense. In this one it got us to where we are. Your argument has been made since Ronaldus shuffled the presidential coil. Always next election. Always next time. And every time we elected a RINO because the dem was worse.
Today the RINO is so far left as to nor be worse. Mitch. Jonbon. Lindsay. They just promised that they pass amnesty upon gaining a majority.
I refuse to support that. If the country burns, it will do it without me helping bring the firewood.
Last time we said this time. The time before that was to be last time.
When? When do we man up collectively and stick to our word?
It’s the Conservative thing to do. Voting liberals into power always is.
Norm, you have asked a very good question. You will always be a conservative as will I, but in the imperfect world of politics, sometimes it makes the most sense to vote for a semi-conservative in order to stop our Leftward drift and reverse course.
If you have two viable candidates for an office (and this will almost always be a Republican and a Democrat, none of this 1% third party stuff), one has to ask which of these two candidates will be with me more than the other?
The answer is usually quite clear. Even someone who is only 50% as conservative as me is much better than someone who is at 0%. To use worn out cliches, I hold my nose, and vote for the lesser of two evils. If my vote turns out to be for the winner, than that will blunt the Left, even if it is only a little.
Then in a couple of years, we work on getting more Ted Cruz like people into office. In the meantime, the Left has less power over us. That is incrementalism. I suggest that we on the Right have to use incrementalism to move this country away from the Marxist/godless abyss of the Left.
Excellent and well said. The only thing I would change ...
Instead of “To use worn out cliches, I hold my nose, and vote for the lesser of two evils.”
I’d say “I hold my nose, and vote for the candidate most likely to slow our leftward drift away from freedom.”
I’m onboard. We need to elect republicans even if they aren’t as conservative as we want. We can’t take this leftward drift much more.
Then do not complain about the amnesty/homosexualization/ebola fiasco, wars and the rest. Because you will get what you vote for.
WE are the ones who have to chip away. The GOP leadership won’t do it, in fact it is they who have to be chipped away first, and the time for doing so is during the Primary season ala Eric Cantor, not the General Election.
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