Posted on 10/18/2014 4:45:34 AM PDT by chrisnj
I think we need to look to what’s happening in England with UKIP. It takes a charismatic leader, like Nigel Farange, to get such a movement going.
Farange could have tried to do what he is doing within the Conservative Party, but it wasn’t going to happen.
To not vote for the better choice because it is not perfect is a tantrum, an emotional cleansing for its proponents to make them finally feel they are the holy ones. Its like George Washingtons men complaining they will not fight the evil of the British, because everything wasn’t right with the Congress not doing everything Washington needed at the time. Good thing these folks were not Washington
Well he needed it to build the rest of the straw man argument with...
The level of stupid on this thread is incredible. I cannot imagine what it will look like in 6 months when the full court press starts.
Man does not survive by bread alone...... he must have self esteem
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Those like Rove — and that includes all former politicians who end up settling in the DC area after they leave/lose office — are there for THEIR own interests. They suckle on the teats of Big Government because they know how to get money from the Big Government THEY helped make bigger.
It has been revealed in the last 3 election cycles that several incumbent politicians don’t even have residences in the states from which they were elected.
But, conservatives, especially, have been falling for the same lines for decades:
[That didn’t even work for the idol of conservatism, Ronald Reagan. He was manipulated into selecting GHWBush as his VP, and we haven’t been able to get the Bush elites out of Washington politics since. George P is already warming up in Texas for the next decade.]
Conservatives need to bite the bullet and realize the GOP has not been a party for conservatism since Goldwater. Every current GOP elite leader has trashed conservatives. Sadly, conservatives suffer from battered-wife syndrome and keep returning ‘home’ to the GOP.
Could somebody please tell me how I am supposed to feel good about voting for Lindsey Graham this election?
Brownshirts? Lake come on. Bring out Yosemite Sam as thats the best political argument you have.
Both parties are steering us toward destruction, one is just driving a little faster than the other. There is a war ahead, and I’d like to fight that war with my children watching. I don’t want my children to fight the war. Let’s rip off this bandaid and get going. No RINOs.
Many people lead fear based lives. Stupid takes over.
Just abandon principle and call it a conservative choice. Like the others have. Simple!
That’s a good example, but I’d caution against drawing an example from a parliamentary system. It’s much easier to get a “movement” agenda onto the table under that kind of system than it is under our republican form of government.
And they are proud of it. Genuinely proud of the stupid.
In that perfect world your arguement makes complete sense. In this one it got us to where we are. Your argument has been made since Ronaldus shuffled the presidential coil. Always next election. Always next time. And every time we elected a RINO because the dem was worse.
Today the RINO is so far left as to nor be worse. Mitch. Jonbon. Lindsay. They just promised that they pass amnesty upon gaining a majority.
I refuse to support that. If the country burns, it will do it without me helping bring the firewood.
Last time we said this time. The time before that was to be last time.
When? When do we man up collectively and stick to our word?
It’s the Conservative thing to do. Voting liberals into power always is.
Norm, you have asked a very good question. You will always be a conservative as will I, but in the imperfect world of politics, sometimes it makes the most sense to vote for a semi-conservative in order to stop our Leftward drift and reverse course.
If you have two viable candidates for an office (and this will almost always be a Republican and a Democrat, none of this 1% third party stuff), one has to ask which of these two candidates will be with me more than the other?
The answer is usually quite clear. Even someone who is only 50% as conservative as me is much better than someone who is at 0%. To use worn out cliches, I hold my nose, and vote for the lesser of two evils. If my vote turns out to be for the winner, than that will blunt the Left, even if it is only a little.
Then in a couple of years, we work on getting more Ted Cruz like people into office. In the meantime, the Left has less power over us. That is incrementalism. I suggest that we on the Right have to use incrementalism to move this country away from the Marxist/godless abyss of the Left.
Excellent and well said. The only thing I would change ...
Instead of “To use worn out cliches, I hold my nose, and vote for the lesser of two evils.”
I’d say “I hold my nose, and vote for the candidate most likely to slow our leftward drift away from freedom.”
I’m onboard. We need to elect republicans even if they aren’t as conservative as we want. We can’t take this leftward drift much more.
Then do not complain about the amnesty/homosexualization/ebola fiasco, wars and the rest. Because you will get what you vote for.
WE are the ones who have to chip away. The GOP leadership won’t do it, in fact it is they who have to be chipped away first, and the time for doing so is during the Primary season ala Eric Cantor, not the General Election.
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