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Ebola threat: Our military must be on front line of US fight, not on the sidelines
Fox News ^ | Oct 17th, 2014 | By Van Hipp

Posted on 10/17/2014 3:53:20 PM PDT by Mariner

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To: cva66snipe; ansel12; xzins
From May 2010:

Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development

The PDF is available online.

From page 18:

Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development Scenario Narratives LOCK STEP A world of tighter top-down government control and more authoritarian leadership, with limited innovation and growing citizen pushback

In 2012, the pandemic that the world had been anticipating for years finally hit. Unlike 2009’s H1N1, this new influenza strain — originating from wild geese — was extremely virulent and deadly. Even the most pandemic-prepared nations were quickly overwhelmed when the virus streaked around the world, infecting nearly 20 percent of the global population and killing 8 million in just seven months, the majority of them healthy young adults. The pandemic also had a deadly effect on economies: international mobility of both people and goods screeched to a halt, debilitating industries like tourism and breaking global supply chains. Even locally, normally bustling shops and office buildings sat empty for months, devoid of both employees and customers. The pandemic blanketed the planet — though disproportionate numbers died in Africa, Southeast Asia, and Central America, where the virus spread like wildfire in the absence of official containment protocols. But even in developed countries, containment was a challenge. The United States’s initial policy of “strongly discouraging” citizens from flying proved deadly in its leniency, accelerating the spread of the virus not just within the U.S. but across borders. However, a few countries did fare better — China in particular. The Chinese government’s quick imposition and enforcement of mandatory quarantine for all citizens, as well as its instant and near-hermetic sealing off of all borders, saved millions of lives, stopping the spread of the virus far earlier than in other countries and enabling a swifter post-pandemic recovery.

61 posted on 10/18/2014 10:12:07 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen
We take others nations interest & security far more seriously than our own these days. Our troops should be securing our southern border and "ALL" passports and VISA's of persons from outbreak countries denied entry. There is precedent for this. Ellis Island was established to help prevent epidemics.
62 posted on 10/18/2014 10:26:57 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

The problem is that just isn’t true. The military does do this kind of thing, and there is obviously no private sector forces able to do it.

Quit describing civilians doing something that they obviously can’t and aren’t, that is why nations are sending in military help.

The fact is that our military needs this experience, they sure cannot be afraid to do a peacetime mission like this when they are supposed to be the experts that deal with bio warfare and bioterrorism.

This is national defense, we can’t tell the bad guys that we are afraid to even show up anywhere there is disease, even when we have to take the risk to save the world, including us.

If the military can’t handle this peacetime mission, then you may as well send a note to the terrorists telling them that bio is the way to go.


63 posted on 10/18/2014 11:50:07 PM PDT by ansel12 ( LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nationÂ’s electorate for democrats)
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To: cva66snipe

Who do you think leads in the field of biological threats and warfare, and in protecting our forces from such threats?

We do not want the Army to turn over military survival against bio agents and operations in disease zones to civilians.

““”At the request of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a small team of scientists at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, Ft. Detrick, Md., has trained its microscopes on severe acute respiratory syndrome.”

The United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID; pronounced: you-SAM-rid) is the U.S Army’s main institution and facility for defensive research into countermeasures against biological warfare. It is located on Fort Detrick, Maryland and is a subordinate lab of the U.S. Army Medical Research and Materiel Command (USAMRMC), headquartered on the same installation.
USAMRIID is the only U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) laboratory equipped to study highly hazardous viruses at Biosafety Level 4 within positive pressure personnel suits.
USAMRIID employs both military and civilian scientists as well as highly specialized support personnel, in all about 800 people. In the 1950s and ‘60s, USAMRIID and its predecessor unit pioneered unique, state-of-the-art biocontainment facilities which it continues to maintain and upgrade. Investigators at its facilities frequently collaborate with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the World Health Organization, and major biomedical and academic centers worldwide.
USAMRIID was the first bio-facility of its type to research the Ames strain of anthrax, determined through genetic analysis to be the bacterium used in the 2001 anthrax attacks.

“This [research] does in fact fit into our overall mission in that although we have not had an outbreak in the military yet, if we were operating in an area where the SARS virus was in fact transmitting, this would be a significant military problem,” said John Huggins. An expert in viral research and chief of the laboratory’s viral therapeutics branch, Huggins’ major concentration has been on screening drugs against viral agents, including Ebola, Marburg, smallpox and now SARS.
Scientists at the Army institute normally work to develop strategies for protecting military personnel against biological warfare threats and naturally occurring infectious diseases.”


64 posted on 10/18/2014 11:55:04 PM PDT by ansel12 ( LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nationÂ’s electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12
Quit describing civilians doing something that they obviously can’t and aren’t, that is why nations are sending in military help.

Oh good grief. Civilians have handled many an epidemic and created the inoculation as well. Polio was one of many. The only thing stopping them now is Feral Federal Agencies like the FDA. A machine sits in Texas that can detect Ebola in humans. Guess who won't let it be used? RED TAPE KILLS. But government is the answer?

65 posted on 10/19/2014 12:34:50 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: ansel12

Using military gained technology for medical purposes is one thing. Using troops as hospital builders is another. Huge difference.


66 posted on 10/19/2014 12:53:02 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: ansel12; cva66snipe

Apparently, others have noted a tendency on your part to accuse others of lying when what they’re doing is offering their opinion. And, I offered a chance for you to show where I had said what you stated: “pretending that I had posted that the military had engaged in bio warfare”.

It is evident that the words of a Lieutenant General — who has vast experience in these regions, who was never suspect for being a toady of any regime, and who has a solid faith in Almighty God that would temper his tongue — do not suggest to you that there is such a thing as a valid disagreement with your assessment.

I repeat: you owe me an apology.


67 posted on 10/19/2014 2:35:21 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Mariner; null and void; Kartographer

BTTT.


68 posted on 10/19/2014 2:55:19 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The mods stole my tagline.)
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To: xzins

No, in your case you lie.

You lie about what a poster is saying ,and you lie to distort and twist information, you just have a very dishonest internet forum style where truth doesn’t matter. It is a technique you use to squash other opinions, just like your habit of pinging others hoping they will join you in attacks based on the falsehoods you are posting.


69 posted on 10/19/2014 8:21:35 AM PDT by ansel12 ( LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nationÂ’s electorate for democrats)
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To: cva66snipe

LOL, the military builds hospitals, they even run and operate them.


70 posted on 10/19/2014 8:22:49 AM PDT by ansel12 ( LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nationÂ’s electorate for democrats)
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To: cva66snipe

Oh good grief? We are going in because civilian volunteers couldn’t handle it, besides, just like we did in Haiti and other places.

This is baffling how you could have ignored the actual situation, we are going in because the limited resources of the civilians was totally inadequate.

There was no more civilian cavalry, they had used up their little bit they have.


71 posted on 10/19/2014 8:34:07 AM PDT by ansel12 ( LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nationÂ’s electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Doesn’t it bother you that you are developing a reputation as a troll?


72 posted on 10/19/2014 9:50:29 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

That is in nature with your posting style, you so far have talked about “others”, “reputation” and have pinged a lot of people to join your style, which is to avoid the actual topic and a poster’s actual posts and try to reframe what they post and make everything of a personal nature.

Just try to stay on the topic, and actually read our posts and respond to them.


73 posted on 10/19/2014 9:55:13 AM PDT by ansel12 ( LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nationÂ’s electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

It’s true, Ansel. I’ve read the posts.

Do you want a reputation as a troll?


74 posted on 10/19/2014 9:56:54 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

LOL, that was a true troll post.

Let’s start with the post that set you off.

To: Mariner
We need to know that our military is competent, so far we have learned that no one in the civilian sector, from the government down to local hospitals has a clue, or seems to have ever had any interest in this stuff, or to have taken it seriously.

Contrary to what so many here seem to think, the military has always been deeply involved in this kind of thing and being able to survive and operate in the face of not only infectious disease, but even weaponized bio agents and carefully planned and delivered threats.

5 posted on 10/17/2014, 4:04:12 PM by ansel12


75 posted on 10/19/2014 10:00:14 AM PDT by ansel12 ( LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nationÂ’s electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Answer me this: what reason does Obama have for doing what’s right?

And what reason do we have to think he will ever do anything except the opposite of right?


76 posted on 10/19/2014 10:09:05 AM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they believed not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: reasonisfaith

Huh? You might want to start a vanity thread if you have questions that you want to ask.


77 posted on 10/19/2014 10:14:12 AM PDT by ansel12 ( LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nationÂ’s electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Meaning, why would he send troops to Ebola countries for the purpose of helping the situation?

He has demonstrated only that he wants things to get worse.


78 posted on 10/19/2014 10:27:30 AM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they believed not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: reasonisfaith

I’m not interested in such speculation or discussion, why not start a thread on it?


79 posted on 10/19/2014 10:30:27 AM PDT by ansel12 ( LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nationÂ’s electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

The conclusion is that the purpose of sending troops to liberia is precisely opposite your claim.


80 posted on 10/19/2014 10:38:27 AM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they believed not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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