Ebola threat: Our military must be on front line of US fight, not on the sidelines

Fox News ^ | Oct 17th, 2014 | By Van Hipp

[Mariner]

"It's uncalled for."

Well, of course...unless he's OBVIOUSLY and PROVABLY lying.

That would be OK.

But when xzins is the subject, that would be extraordinarily, exceptionally, unusual.

[jazusamo]

Exactly!

[xzins]

Thank both of you for your kind words.

All of us have tempers, all of us have subjects about which we have strong feelings, and sometimes those tempers and feelings make irrational leaps. Consistently defamatory posts, though, have always screamed “troll” to me. Both of you seem to know Ansel from the past, and think that he has made valuable contributions. If you say his trolling these ebola/military threads isn’t really indicative of who he’s been in the past, then that’s good enough for me.

[ansel12]

No one is trolling the Ebola threads, and if you want to return to discussing the thread topic, then please do, assuming that is your purpose here.

[jwalsh07]

I know something about Army CBR protocols since I was the battalion CBR NCO even though my rank at the time was E4 which was 3 graded below the allotted slot. The reason for that was the battalion had never gotten a satisfactory grade in CBR on any field exercise until they sent me to school for 6 months.

The most important thing I can tell you is you can not turn an 11B into a 54E with a couple of hours of training a month. If you think you can you are inviting disaster.

Now this was near 40 years ago but I do not imagine things have changed much. We can send grunts for securing a perimeter while engineers do their thing for the medical corps but the only interface with locals should be the mission of the Chemical Corps. The author has the protocols down pretty good. Isolate and decontaminate. That’s doctrine. No visas. No mixing of elements that have exposure with those that don’t. Plenty of water, bleach and fuel for burning.

But 11b’s have no business interacting with the local population. None, Nada, zippo.

[ansel12]

In regards to the subject of this thread “”Ebola threat: Our military must be on front line of US fight, not on the sidelines””

If Ebola is the threat that many think it is, then we need to be doing what we can to end this outbreak.

We need to know that our military is competent, so far we have learned that no one in the civilian sector, from the government down to local hospitals has a clue, or seems to have ever had any interest in this stuff, or to have taken it seriously.

Contrary to what so many here seem to think, the military has always been deeply involved in this kind of thing and being able to survive and operate in the face of not only infectious disease, but even weaponized bio agents and carefully planned and delivered threats.

[xzins]

order them home to spread ebola on the military bases?

The children's border crisis initiated by Obama saw thousands of kids violate our sovereign borders. They were initially gathered and many tested and examined. The medical tests showed many of them to be infected and infested.

This is the part that ties into your comment above: Obama then had them sent to undisclosed locations randomly spread around the nation. What better way to quickly infect the nation that to spread infected people to all our major metro areas.

So it is with active duty and national guard troops. Active duty, in particular, hail from every state in the nation and it's not uncommon to see a company sized unit pretty well representing every region of the US.

Again, random geographic distribution. If someone WERE being sinister, then that someone has certainly set the stage.

[xzins]

you can not turn an 11B into a 54E with a couple of hours of training a month

A great post, Jwalsh. Thank you for your service!

[xzins]

See #125

[xzins]

Just a question. Each time I’ve looked it up, the FM’s say that the first principle for a fighting unit coming upon a contaminated area is AVOIDANCE.

Do you agree with that from your experience?

[ansel12]

"The most important thing I can tell you is you can not turn an 11B into a 54E with a couple of hours of training a month." "We can send grunts for securing a perimeter while engineers do their thing for the medical corps but the only interface with locals should be the mission of the Chemical Corps."

I don't think they are limiting contact with all Liberians, just as the civilian medical and Christian missionaries aren't, for instance Liberians were testing the temperatures of the Americans, but they do intend to keep them from the infected.

[cva66snipe]

Army National Guards it's a mixed bag. A high percentage of a typical unit are non Army prior service. My unit in ammo section our boss was an Air Force E-6 who had been out several years. Others including myself were three E-4's from Navy, a Marine cook, an Army Spec4, and two Army privates. This was for a Howitzer Battery BTW LOL.

The Army NG's unless rules have changed since 85 was a hodgepodge force made up of all Branches many of which were not ever for combat trained in their prior service. My NBC training I got while on the ship. Their mission needs to go back to domestic ones and fill ins for deployed units back here.

[PieterCasparzen]

Here’s my question...What have the countries of West Africa done with the billions of dollars the US has given them?...The infrastructure that the US military is going to provide should already be in place...

That's the elephant in this room/thread: it's conveniently left out of the conversation that several large well-known tax-exempt foundations, having invested assets valued well into the tens of billions of dollars, have been pouring money into the area, ostensibly to "promote vaccination", "improve healthcare", etc., for many years now. These foundations have the best of the best when it comes to Western resources: money, technology, expertise, political connections, etc.

Coincidentally (or not), the elite leadership and founders of said funds/organizations have views on population control that are decidedly Malthusian.

Said funds/leadership have longstanding working relationships with USAID and the Federal government and various NGOs that again, are well-endowed. The government agencies have well-known, longstanding working relationships with CIA.

Tulane University researchers were working in the area in the years leading up to this "crisis"; Tulane research has a history that coincidentally also includes contracts with CIA for psychological experimentation and research. I've seen internet postings that the local governments called for a halt to Tulane's research during the crisis.

One must also bear in mind that the entire US healthcare "industry" and food "industry" has combined to greatly expand the incidence of various cash-cow diseases over the last few decades at an ever-greater pace. Just one example is the campaign for low-fat and fat-free diets and foods, which directly cause a variety of medical problems. Thus, we are talking about at the very least an elite business leadership that is massively unscrupulous.

Why does the "conservative" elite machinery have to kick into high gear with a massive propaganda campaign on the internet to shift conservatives to support the US and European militaries being moved into this West African area to "help" ? Because the concept smells like the workings of a dystopian police state, which conservatives would not ordinarily support. And, of course, liberals are used as "anti-military" tools, so they're not recruited to support peacetime military campaigns by elite propaganda.

For the "not lazy" sheeple, there is plenty of material on the internet to search through which documents the massive disease "control" campaigns undertaken in Africa by Western tax-exempt billionaire money, pictures and all.

[PieterCasparzen]

ping to #133.

[jwalsh07]

Yes and no. The doctrine was mission first but with caveats. For instance a nuclear strike requires the CBRNCOIC to plot contours of fallout based on wind vectors, estimated yield and terrain. Heavy on geometry and trig. Certain rad contours are acceptable if the mission is important. Others are not acceptable no matter the mission. But the mission in Africa is such that grunts and engineers should not have any contact with the locals whether they are diagnosed or not.

[jwalsh07]

Love the Howitzer Battery!

[jwalsh07]

The 11b’s should be isolated from all locals. Jmho.

[null and void]

Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...