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Lockheed Martin Claims Fusion Breakthrough That Could Change World Forever
Forbes ^ | October 15, 2014 | William Pentland

Posted on 10/15/2014 5:42:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: ully2

Hm, Lockheed Martin vs. someone who goes by an alias.

Who to believe, who to believe.


41 posted on 10/15/2014 8:49:24 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.


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42 posted on 10/15/2014 9:06:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: The Antiyuppie

I don’t doubt that Lockheed can do it, or at least make serious progress towards making it happen.

I simply doubt that they will.

Can you imagine the tremendous pressure coming from the White House at this very moment to kill this? From oil companies, Coal? Socialists?

Socialist will be damned if people will have access to endless low cost energy. You think they hate the Tea Party, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.


43 posted on 10/15/2014 9:08:06 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory has been working on “magnetic bottle” fusion for forty years. IIRC, the power requirements for the containment are enormous.


44 posted on 10/15/2014 10:20:14 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Democrats: the Party of slavery to the immensely wealthy for over 200 years.)
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To: MMaschin

Malthusian cloaked misanthropes like Ehrlich are likely less worried about cheap energy now that Ebola (thanks CDC) seems to be on track to depopulate in the billions. Megalomaniacs like their comforts too.


45 posted on 10/16/2014 2:54:17 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (How humanitarian are "leaders" who back Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases?)
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To: Salvavida

Many people call it “LockMart”.


46 posted on 10/16/2014 3:02:13 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Within a decade.

Right on schedule.

Fusion is always about 10 years away.


47 posted on 10/16/2014 3:26:49 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Carry_Okie
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory has been working on “magnetic bottle” fusion for forty years. IIRC, the power requirements for the containment are enormous.

I'm a software guy, not an engineer, so I don't know the details of any of these attempts to get hydrogen atoms so close together that they can fuse. But here's an interesting fact from inside our own sun that I do know: even the gravity of the sun is not capable of bringing hydrogen atoms (bare protons in that intense heat) close enough to fuse together. And a good thing, too. If that gravitational force was enough to do it, the sun would burn all its fuel much more quickly than it is doing right now.

The only way there is any fusion going on in the sun right now, is the occasional instance of quantum tunneling that allows the rare two protons to get close enough for fusion to happen. Of course, quantum tunneling is there in our devices, too, if we get any of them to work. I'm not saying this to "prove" fusion reactors can't happen. I'm just saying the electromagnetic repulsion of protons to one another is so great that the gravity of the sun doesn't overcome it and that without quantum tunneling there would be no fusion there at all.

Just an interesting fact to ponder while reading of predictions, year after year, decade after decade, that commercial fusion reactors are "about 10 years away".

48 posted on 10/16/2014 3:36:18 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: WMarshal

Not with that enemy islamist still around.


49 posted on 10/16/2014 6:31:23 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: samtheman

I’m just saying the electromagnetic repulsion of protons to one another is so great that the gravity of the sun doesn’t overcome it...

So, is it possible that at the heart of each star is a
small black hole, or the start of black hole?
Big enough to provoke fusion through QT?
Just wondering.


50 posted on 10/16/2014 6:36:13 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: samtheman

I liked the reference to “fit on the back of a truck”.

That’s a little ways from “Mr. Fusion”...


51 posted on 10/16/2014 6:39:44 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: I cannot think of a name
If true, this would be a world changer. Whole industries would be born and whole industries would be born.

Plus, whole industries would be born.

Not to mention that whole industries would be born.

Did I post that whole industries would be born? No? Well: Whole industries would be born.

52 posted on 10/16/2014 6:53:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them. We have no 'news media', only a Soviet Pravda.)
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To: samtheman

I once went to LLNL for a job interview. The guy told me that the start-up power for the magnetic bottle experiments was IIRC 900MW. Before I post a number that big, I gave it a few minutes looking around for it (no joy) and in the process ran across a discussion of some of the problems they’d encountered describing “micro turbulence” as a barrier to sustaining a reaction. I was left with the thought about how the reality of simple ideas and principles seems always fantastically complex. Muse for the day.


53 posted on 10/16/2014 7:32:46 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Democrats: the Party of slavery to the immensely wealthy for over 200 years.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Recent history shows that in fact this happens only until society reaches a position of real "comfort" and then the rate of growth turns negative.

I agree 100%, but it doesn't stop the idiots on the left from believing it. Obama's first Energy Secretary Steven Chu told the WSJ that - "somehow, we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe" - and Chu is a Nobel Prize winning physicist.
54 posted on 10/16/2014 8:05:34 AM PDT by MMaschin
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
Malthusian cloaked misanthropes like Ehrlich are likely less worried about cheap energy now that Ebola (thanks CDC) seems to be on track to depopulate in the billions. Megalomaniacs like their comforts too.

They killed millions by banning DDT, I'm sure they have no problem with ebola.
55 posted on 10/16/2014 8:07:38 AM PDT by MMaschin
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To: xp38

I want the near-invisible car behind it.


56 posted on 10/16/2014 8:09:52 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (You know what, just do it.)
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To: Maringa

Yup. Commercial fusion reactors are just 10 years away, and have been for half a century.


57 posted on 10/16/2014 8:10:44 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (You know what, just do it.)
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To: xp38
Cold Fusion


58 posted on 10/16/2014 8:17:54 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: ctdonath2

Yeah I am not sure what the deal is with that. Speculating as a promo ad shot the idea might be since the model is the plug in hybrid version that it will begin to make other conventional vehicles disappear at some point in the future.


59 posted on 10/16/2014 8:46:30 AM PDT by xp38
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To: samtheman
Fusion is always about 10 years away.
"Isn't it always, 10 years away"...


60 posted on 10/16/2014 10:45:19 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Liberalism to Fabianism to Socialism to Marxism to Totalitarianism.. "the inertia of stupidity" d8-)
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