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For people living under threat of arrest around St. Louis, a constant stress
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | September 20, 2014 | Jeremy Kohler

Posted on 09/20/2014 7:44:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Hunkered down in her south St. Louis County apartment with a mug of coffee and a thick novel, Carol Ray, 54, tries to enjoy a sunny morning off from work. But that’s hard when you’re a fugitive from justice who could be taken away in handcuffs at any moment.

On her kitchen table sit unpaid traffic tickets from the cities of Beverly Hills and Town and Country: $199 total.

Somebody with money could hire a lawyer with contacts in the court, exchange a few emails and pay extra to keep points off their license. With no more sacrifice than a Friday night at home with Netflix and a $10 bottle of wine, the tickets are taken care of.

But that’s not how it works for a customer service representative making $12.67 an hour. Beverly Hills has a warrant out for her arrest; Town and Country court workers said they may issue one as soon as this week. And Ray just got notice her drivers license will be suspended because she skipped court....

(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: blacks; crime; ferguson; missouri
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To: yldstrk

Easy for you to say if you can pay the ticket.

When I lived back in California, an infraction would cost like $125 and that’s not counting the cost to attend traffic school so it wouldn’t go on my driving record.

They’ll still take the money because its technically not a crime. That’s how politicians abolished your right to trial by jury because the cop is handing you a summons instead of carting you off to jail.


21 posted on 09/20/2014 7:59:27 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
They collect it whether or not you’re guilty.

Every time I got a ticket for speeding, I was speeding.

When I wasn't speeding, I did not get any tickets for speeding.

I feel sure that a majority of drivers would say the same.

Maybe it depends on where you live.

22 posted on 09/20/2014 8:00:38 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Its just too hard to park in legal spaces, cause of slavery, or something.


23 posted on 09/20/2014 8:01:53 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (This is where the left is taking us http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-tyranny)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s so unfair!/s


24 posted on 09/20/2014 8:02:00 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

People have all kinds of debts to pay.

And we’re locking up people who have no means to repay who don’t constitute a real threat to society.

We’re not talking not about robbers and rapists here.


25 posted on 09/20/2014 8:02:18 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

People don’t understand that these are citations that require your presence for you to plea. If you ignore the court they order your presence and now you have a new charge.

This is not news, it is everyday life.


26 posted on 09/20/2014 8:02:35 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: goldstategop

Plea NOT GUILTY next time and see what happens.

You will be amazed.


27 posted on 09/20/2014 8:04:06 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: UCANSEE2

Its a tax.

I love how conservatives defend a tax when its collected from you at gunpoint.

A ticket is not about public safety, its about revenue enhancement.

And its big business.


28 posted on 09/20/2014 8:04:14 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So... most ‘personal experience’ newsstories coming out of St. Louis suburbs are from self-admitted criminals.

Can’t the media find anyone who is ‘clean’ ?


29 posted on 09/20/2014 8:05:22 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: eyedigress

Its your word against the cop.

And remember, you’re not allowed an attorney or a jury in traffic court.

I’ve been there.


30 posted on 09/20/2014 8:05:39 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cry me a river.


31 posted on 09/20/2014 8:07:04 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: goldstategop

Just plea NOT GUILTY.

Cop isn’t there anyway. Judge makes all the guilty get in line for traffic school.

Tells the rest to leave.


32 posted on 09/20/2014 8:08:17 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I doubt these are parking tickets. Drivers licenses do not get suspended for parking tickets. Moving violations yes but not parking tickets.
By not paying the fine or showing up in traffic court to contest the tickets, she was deemed guilty and sentenced to pay a fine. By not paying the fine, she could do jail time. That is the only options the court has according to the law, but now, she is a “victim” and may escape any consequences for not only disobeying the law(s) but being a scofflaw.


33 posted on 09/20/2014 8:08:40 PM PDT by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Phillip Nolan by the day.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gosh maybe she should have gone to court and plead for a lower fine and then set up payments. Somehow people manage to do that here in Taxifornia. But, yeah if you just ignore your summons the hole keeps getting deeper. Why should I feel sorry for her because she chose to ignore the law?


34 posted on 09/20/2014 8:09:18 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: eyedigress

People understand.

And if you can’t pay, you still go to jail.

That’s also everyday life.


35 posted on 09/20/2014 8:09:59 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

if you don’t have 125 take Bart


36 posted on 09/20/2014 8:10:00 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: goldstategop

you sure as hell are allowed an attorney in traffic court


37 posted on 09/20/2014 8:11:16 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: UCANSEE2
Every time I got a ticket for speeding, I was speeding.

Me, too ... But I hazard a guess neither of us was "ethnic."

If we were "ethnic," we might have had a case.

38 posted on 09/20/2014 8:12:22 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: eyedigress

People go to traffic school to avoid having points on their driving record.

You don’t enter a plea; you pay the fine and top of that you pay traffic school fee to keep your record clean.

People do it to avoid automatic conviction and to keep the insurance company from raising their premium.


39 posted on 09/20/2014 8:12:58 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: yldstrk

You can have an attorney in a misdemeanor or felony case.

But not in an infraction since there is no jail time.


40 posted on 09/20/2014 8:14:22 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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