Posted on 09/12/2014 7:42:44 PM PDT by xzins
Your link made me question the meaning due to my belief (at least based on the accuracy of these preliminary findings and pics) that this case has nothing to do with discipline. This looks more like anger and rage.
By their parents?
There is a very small percentage of kids that actually do need some sort of negative consequence such as spanking. I was a child very determined to have my own way. My mom did spank me quite a bit. The irony is I behaved better for my Dad and paternal Grandmother than for my Mom, and they never spanked me. They talked to me and I listened.
I might have spanked my kids once or twice. My rule was three licks, not to be done if I was at all frustrated or mad. The kids were told you will be punished for that behavior and I will tell you later what that will be. In the meantime you are to consider how you will ensure this never happens again, and tell me.
Usually discipline involved loss of privileges and a method to earn them back involving whatever behavior was needing correction. I am not against corporal punishment, but I will say there is a difference between mere punishment and discipline. I also think that this particular switching went too far.
However, I think that there is also the issue of discord between parents here, that may be playing a part in this becoming a police matter. The Dad appears to need some better methods for dealing with kids.
However, I know that many children face much worse than this, and the abuser gets very little disincentive to do better, but the kids are returned, and eventually wind up dead.
From the pictures, I don't think what the man did is ok. It also appears that he did not intend to cross the line. Some education and parenting classes are in order to be sure, but I'm not going to go into some overblown description and personal attack against the Dad either.
I'll wait for more info, and save my wrath for the guys that actually spank their kids and break their bones, and cause concussions and even death.
Lots of parents who don’t love their children refuse to discipline them. Time outs don’t work, other than encouraging their misbehavior.
Smacks have value.
The natural consequence of a stupid action is getting whacks by parents, so you don't get dead.
Just exactly how many children have you raised to adulthood that haven't been to jail?
/johnny
Discipline is not punishment. You are confused. Punishment doesn’t lead to discipline. Familiarize yourself with the recidivism rate for ex-cons.
Charity never faileth applies from before the foundation of the World.
Here’s some more info from the police report (again still allegations):
According to CBS, in the police report, the child also expressed worry that Peterson would punch him in the face if the child reported the incident to authorities. He also said that he had been hit by a belt and that “there are a lot of belts in Daddy’s closet.” He added that Peterson put leaves in his mouth when he was being hit with the switch while his pants were down. The child told his mother that Peterson “likes belts and switches” and “has a whooping room.”
You’re conflating spanking with being well raised. It is a common enough error. The spanking didn’t help. What made the difference were loving, devoted parents who did a lot of very positive things in your life. Don’t confuse the two.
Actually, sheepherders DO set the dogs on sheep who won’t move. And I’ve helped a sheep rancher use a rubber hose to get sheep thru a ramp before.
Corporal punishment is definitely allowed and encouraged in the Bible.
“He who withholds his rod hates his son,
But he who loves him disciplines him diligently.”
I’m sorry, but that does not sound to me like encouragement to read the Bible to my kids regularly. That is a good thing too, but it is not what the verse is talking about. The same goes for:
“Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child;
The rod of discipline will remove it far from him.”
“Do not hold back discipline from the child,
Although you strike him with the rod, he will not die.
You shall strike him with the rod
And rescue his soul from Sheol.”
“A whip is for the horse, a bridle for the donkey,
And a rod for the back of fools.”
Perhaps but was it a one time event for AP? Was the kid hit in the head too? Is there child abuse in this society? Absolutely! Does that mean we throw out physical discipline like spanking when done in controlled measures of love? Absolutely not.
Are children regularly sweeping you with weapons? Your examples in defense of hitting children are terrible.
Well said.
Define those terms, since they seem important to you.
/johnny
That’s not what the science says. Time outs are very effective if used correctly. Too many parents do them in anger.
A child is not a dog. Whacking isn’t a natural consequence at all. Sugar Smacks may have value as a breakfast cereal, but parents fail when they hit.
You cannot take FReepers or your own life as a general explanation for what works best. Our prisons are full of kids whose parents hit them. It doesn’t work.
You have to learn to live with the truth, even when it contradicts your preconceived notions.
Discipline is self-control.
You must learn how to read.
/johnny
I thought you were using analogy to make your point.
When is it "necessary?"? Did you hit your kids with belts and rods? Do you have granchildren, and are you okay with your son- or daughter-in-law hitting them with belts and rods?
/johnny
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