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The United States should be nervous about the Scottish independence referendum
The London Telegraph ^ | September 9, 2014 | Nile Gardiner

Posted on 09/10/2014 1:44:18 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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Next week’s referendum on Scottish independence has largely flown under the radar screen here in the United States. The cable news networks have devoted little attention so far to the issue, as the Isil threat in the Middle East continues to dominate international coverage. There has been no polling conducted on the Scottish question in the US, and it is doubtful that many Americans outside of the Washington policy bubble or the financial milieu of New York are particularly exercised by the outcome of a vote taking place over 3,000 miles away.

They should be concerned, however. What happens in Scotland will reverberate on this side of the Atlantic, and not for the better. Here are five reasons why Americans should be nervous about the outcome of next week’s vote if Scotland votes for independence.

1. The Special Relationship will be undercut.

The United Kingdom is far and away America’s biggest and most important ally. Anything that weakens Britain, and chips away at the Special Relationship, is a big negative for the United States. This fear has been amply expressed by dozens of members of the United States Congress, both Republican and Democrat, who are backing a resolution in the House of Representatives declaring that a “united, secure, and prosperous United Kingdom” is vital to US interests.

The Special Relationship is too powerful a partnership to be set adrift by a Scottish vote for independence...

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alexsalmond; britain; economy; england; isil; isis; nuclearweapons; scotland; scotlandyet; scottishindependence; ukssr; unitedkingdom
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To: NavVet

Funny you should mention him; I think Australia is a better ally than the UK. Sent troops to Vietnam, were quick to help both pre- and post-9/11...


21 posted on 09/10/2014 4:20:40 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Cowboy Bob

“Most of the socialists in the UK are in Scotland. Cut them loose. See how they do without someone else’s money to spend.”

Doesn’t Scotland claim most of the oil?


22 posted on 09/10/2014 4:39:23 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Berlin_Freeper

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/catalonia-seeks-independence-referendum-despite-madrid-rejection-a-990632.html

You get der Spiegel where you live?)


23 posted on 09/10/2014 4:42:46 AM PDT by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: kearnyirish2

Britain has fought in two world wars, alongside America. We fought in Korea. And the Gulf, Iraq and Afghanistan. And every American knows how the British were the first at their side after ‘9-11’. Even in Vietnam, we quietly both sent the SAS and also trained US SF units in Hong Kong.

The reason we didn’t send troops (officially) to Vietnam was that we had just fought a very similar war in Malaya 1948-60 (we won btw), and between 1962
and 66, were fighting yet another similar war in Borneo (again victory), not to mention other British conflicts at the time (South Arabia, the Radfan, Aden, Northern Ireland).
Not to mention (successful) counterterrorism in Kenya and Cyprus, both of which only finished in 1960.

At the time we were asked to join in Vietnam, we’d just come out of one war and were fighting another two or three conflicts!. I don’t think Americans are aware of this.....

The British, even after being stabbed in the back by America in 1956, has stood by the US. Your comments are a disgraceful slur.


24 posted on 09/10/2014 4:45:23 AM PDT by the scotsman (UK)
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To: VanShuyten

70% at best. And it was cultivated with British money, in other words around 92% of it was English, Welsh and N Irish taxpayers. The Scotland’s Oil argument ignores this.


25 posted on 09/10/2014 4:47:00 AM PDT by the scotsman (UK)
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To: Alberta's Child; 2ndDivisionVet
There’s something ironic — and maybe even silly — about the U.S. expressing any kind of concern over a movement for independence from Britain, no? LOL.

No kidding. "Special Relationship"??? ROFLMAO

The 'special relationships' exist only behind the scenes in banking, government & copying of population control. IMHO, the british 'special relationship' and the 'UN' 'special' relationship need severed, not subsidized.

A 'partnership' of similar ideals will exist regardless; that's the nature of 'allies'...but I'm having great trouble reconciling the problem of British coddling of Islamists...(ironically similar to US policies the past decade).

26 posted on 09/10/2014 4:47:15 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: the scotsman

“May those that love us, love us.
May those that don’t pray God turn their hearts.”

You know the rest (even though I’m not sure if this is Scottish or those other guys...)

I’ve been saying for years, Britain should join the US and not the EU. Maybe, a piecemeal approach?


27 posted on 09/10/2014 4:53:03 AM PDT by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: outofsalt

A lot of people want a lot of things...

There is no date for a Catalonia Independence Referendum, unlike Scotland which is next week.

One story is historic, the other can be covered in a single post... thanks.


28 posted on 09/10/2014 4:54:36 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Sedia gestatoria)
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To: cynwoody

That would make him Scott Smith.

I think you meant a Scot. Only one T.


29 posted on 09/10/2014 5:00:41 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: SatinDoll
My wife has family members living in Scotland. The other night she let me read some statements on Facebook by some of her younger Scots family members and friends concerning the issue. If their feelings are what is dominant in Scotland among young people, then the future of an independent Scotland is definitely socialist.

And there was one living in England who was against indy because she felt it would mean England would be much more conservative and forever electing Tories.

30 posted on 09/10/2014 5:01:46 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: logi_cal869
There is one important aspect of the relationship between the U.S. and Great Britain that makes it unique: the level of trust between the intelligence agencies in the two countries is probably greater than between any other two sovereign nations in the world.

It's kind of bizarre, when you think about it. History has turned the world upside down. Great Britain is almost functioning like a colony of the U.S. right now.

31 posted on 09/10/2014 5:12:03 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If my knowledge of Scottish history serves, they have wanted “secession” from England for quite a long time, particularly the Highlanders.
Our “secession” from England was wrought with concern over how we would survive, if we would become “socialist” (read: Whiskey Rebellion) and such. I think we did pretty well (until 2008) so good on the Scots.
Every freedom-loving peoples should be for independence and
self-determination...we used to be.....


32 posted on 09/10/2014 5:53:08 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Alberta's Child

Basically, I agree...but didn’t the Brit intelligence community screw things up with the Saddam was onto yellow cake uranium info?
Or was it true but the Brits backed down?


33 posted on 09/10/2014 5:55:46 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: VanShuyten

Yes! You are correct. That is probably why England is fighting to keep it. But isn’t the North Sea oil production declining?


34 posted on 09/10/2014 6:29:32 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: SatinDoll

Yep. An independent Scotland will fall somewhere between Cuba and Venezuela on the political spectrum.


35 posted on 09/10/2014 6:31:51 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: matginzac
.but didn’t the Brit intelligence community screw things up with the Saddam was onto yellow cake uranium info?

Apparently not Yellowcake shipped to Canada

Also one of the reasons that there is panic over ISIS is that it appears ISIS has acquired chemical weapons that were being stored in Syria but which may have been made in Iraq in Saddams day.

The US diplomat who went to Niger to check on reports that Hussein was still trying to acquire more yellowcake was Valerie Plames' husband, who apparently was not a disinterested agent.

36 posted on 09/10/2014 6:31:54 AM PDT by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: VanShuyten
Doesn’t Scotland claim most of the oil?

Yes but oil revenues are declining rapidly Oil Revenue decline

37 posted on 09/10/2014 6:37:16 AM PDT by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: driftless2
If their feelings are what is dominant in Scotland among young people, then the future of an independent Scotland is definitely socialist.

Perhaps they need to study history. When the Act of Union was signed in 1707 Scotland was bankrupt. If they implement the Socialist policies of the SNP and Labour they'll eventually have a repeat performance.

If the yes vote prevails I hope what's left of the UK makes it clear that the Scots will be treated no better than other non-members of the European Union- especially in the matter of employment which will almost certainly be a problem for the Scots

38 posted on 09/10/2014 6:50:51 AM PDT by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: Timocrat

Too many Scots have been watching Braveheart and not thinking rationally.

Scotland with all their Labour party members will however make sure the rest of the UK goes right wing.


39 posted on 09/10/2014 7:06:35 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The readers’ comments were much more interesting than the article.


40 posted on 09/10/2014 7:12:04 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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