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UKRAINE: Naval Ship In Flames After Attack By Rebels
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| August 31, 2014
Posted on 08/31/2014 1:36:25 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
This may be a somewhat small ship, so the analogy I'm about the make may not be totally solid, but ... Standard US doctrine is that if an adversary takes out one of our carriers, then we don't mess around: nukes becomes a very definite option. Navies are expensive and precious.
If pro-Russian forces are destroying Ukrainian naval vessels, then we ought to get a glimpse as to how hard and how seriously the Ukrainians can fight back. If this on-going conflict continues to limp along in a dithering fashion, then I would have to say that Ukraine knows it lost the war months ago.
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posted on
08/31/2014 1:44:21 PM PDT
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ClearCase_guy
("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
To: ClearCase_guy
“Standard US doctrine is that if an adversary takes out one of our carriers, then we don’t mess around: nukes becomes a very definite option.”
One some change, need to begin that with pre obola.
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posted on
08/31/2014 1:47:02 PM PDT
by
Mouton
(The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
I’m not well read on naval warfare.
However, when a rebel infantry unit sinks one of your ships by firing artillery from the shoreline, that sounds rather humiliating.
To: zeestephen
However, when a rebel infantry unit sinks one of your ships by firing artillery from the shoreline, that sounds rather humiliating.Particularly when you are supposed to be a professional at naval warfare and the rebels are just supposed to be a bunch of rank amateurs.
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posted on
08/31/2014 1:54:53 PM PDT
by
Sooth2222
("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
To: Sooth2222
shouldn’t your tag line be reversed? it makes no sense when you put idiot first. it should read:
“suppose you are a member of congress and then suppose you are an idiot, but i repeat myself”
To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
attacked by artillery from pro-Russian separatistsWhen are we going to stop calling them that? Let's all just man up and call them what they are -- Russian military, using Russian weapons and supplies, with Russian training, and carrying out Russian orders.
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posted on
08/31/2014 2:00:34 PM PDT
by
Semper911
(When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
Wikipedia image. Sea of Azov in upper right corner; looks to be near Crimea.
To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
U-170 Skadovsk or U-360 Henichesk? They’ve also got a small missile boat (if the Russians gave it back) and a handful of Grishnas.
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posted on
08/31/2014 2:06:19 PM PDT
by
PAR35
To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
Why are people still pretending these are “rebels”?
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posted on
08/31/2014 2:07:08 PM PDT
by
GeronL
(Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
To: ClearCase_guy
Ukraine just overthrew their pro-Russia corruptocrat a few months ago, their country and their military has been looted for 10 years or more.
Of course they cannot fight the Russian Army on equal terms.
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posted on
08/31/2014 2:08:45 PM PDT
by
GeronL
(Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
A Ukrainian naval vessel was in flames in the Azov Sea after being attacked by artillery from pro-Russian separatists along the shore.Where are we pro-freedom insurgents going to get artillery when they leave us no option but rebellion? We KNOW where the separatists got theirs!
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posted on
08/31/2014 2:13:18 PM PDT
by
JimRed
(Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
To: GeronL
No question there. But a country has to either fight or surrender. There is the third option: pretend to fight until terms can be reached. I am not convinced that Ukraine is really fighting as hard as it might. So, I assume they are surrendering slowly.
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posted on
08/31/2014 2:13:22 PM PDT
by
ClearCase_guy
("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
To: zeestephen
Perhaps how about having one of your ships sunk by the Russian military?
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posted on
08/31/2014 2:14:19 PM PDT
by
driftdiver
(I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
To: zeestephen
"However, when a rebel infantry unit sinks one of your ships by firing artillery from the shoreline, that sounds rather humiliating." The Sea of Azov is not very large and it is entirely possible that the Ukraine Cutter had "nowhere to run to" and "nowhere to hide". It is also likely that it's guns were to small to effectively return fire.
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08/31/2014 2:17:05 PM PDT
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jpsb
(Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
To: zeestephen
Im not well read on naval warfare. However, when a rebel infantry unit sinks one of your ships by firing artillery from the shoreline, that sounds rather humiliating.I'd cut them some slack. Guys in a fishing craft blew a massive hole in the USS Cole. Artillery is fired from miles away, way out of anyone's field of vision. The Cole's attackers were amateurs. Trained Russian soldiers bushwhacked the Ukies.
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posted on
08/31/2014 2:20:53 PM PDT
by
Zhang Fei
(Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
To: zeestephen
infantry unit sinks one of your ships by firing artillery from the shoreline, that sounds rather humiliating. The Russians know all about that in the battle at Port Arthur against the Japs.
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posted on
08/31/2014 2:51:29 PM PDT
by
xone
To: beebuster2000
Could be. But that's how Mark Twain wrote it. ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself."- Mark Twain, a Biography)
http://www.twainquotes.com/Congress.html
"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." It's as true today as it was in Mark Twain's time. Maybe it's even more true today.
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posted on
08/31/2014 3:10:11 PM PDT
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Sooth2222
("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
At Euromaidanpr they are saying it was and aerial attack. Plane or helicopter.
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posted on
08/31/2014 3:35:09 PM PDT
by
donozark
(The voices inside my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!)
To: donozark
“At Euromaidanpr they are saying it was and aerial attack. Plane or helicopter.”
It’s EuromaidanPR, an affiliate of Right Sector. What are they gonna say?
The videos, and there are several, seem to catch the sound of some kind of Arty going out. And both were very close to the coast.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwYgj1wCAAAGhTI.png:large
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posted on
08/31/2014 3:45:38 PM PDT
by
tcrlaf
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