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The Upright and Locked Position
Townhall.com ^ | August 31, 2014 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 08/31/2014 4:51:34 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 08/31/2014 4:51:35 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Greyhound without the bedbugs (maybe)


2 posted on 08/31/2014 4:54:15 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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I don’t need one of these devices. The person in front of me cannot recline because my knees are pressed into the back of the seat in front of me. That is what happens when you are 6-7. I’ve had someone page the flight attendant when they couldn’t recline and complain that their seat was broken. She looked back at me and told the person “No, it isn’t.”


3 posted on 08/31/2014 4:54:40 AM PDT by dirtboy
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I would love to see pictures of the two who inconvenienced the many to make sure I am no where near them.


4 posted on 08/31/2014 5:01:23 AM PDT by BilLies ( it isn't the color of the skin, but culture that is embraced that degrades.)
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To: Dr. Ursus

If the trip is 1500 miles or less, I will take extra time and drive. I avoid flying whenever possible.

Paying to he herded like cattle, felt up by rude TSA agents, crammed into a tin can with potentially disease-ridden rude, cranky, travellers, screaming babies, and fat, sweaty pigs who have never exercised a day in their lives, and probably never bathed, either.

Anyone who is stupid enough to expose themselves to todays air travel deserves exactly what they get. I don’t know whether to laugh at them or weep for them for willingly subjecting themselves to such indignity.


5 posted on 08/31/2014 5:05:42 AM PDT by RepRivFarm ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell)
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"Greyhound without the bedbugs (maybe"

Not with DHS flying illegal aliens around the country secretly, and it is not just bedbugs.

6 posted on 08/31/2014 5:06:04 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Kaslin

Aisle seat works


7 posted on 08/31/2014 5:07:03 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: dirtboy

Same here at 6’3”. I try and be considerate for those sitting around me - and keep my body parts within the width of my seat.

Had my knees banged more than once by folks in front hitting the recline button and then slamming the seat back.

On the second slam I usually say “Excuse me, but that’s my knees you’re hitting”.

When that happens there is not much room for that little serving tray, the back of the seat and my knees.


8 posted on 08/31/2014 5:07:51 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Kaslin

I know if the Obamas had to fly coach they would have solved the problem like they School Lunches, etc, etc.


9 posted on 08/31/2014 5:10:26 AM PDT by BilLies ( it isn't the color of the skin, but culture that is embraced that degrades.)
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The simple answer is if the general public doesn’t mind being cramped in like sardines because the tickets are so cheap...

Then stop making seats that recline.

Just one more creature comfort removed to ensure full airplanes!


10 posted on 08/31/2014 5:11:06 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Kaslin

Blame gubmint regulation of airlines. Let them charge by size and weight like every other type of cargo.


11 posted on 08/31/2014 5:14:30 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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"please complain to the airline so that they might be inspired to provide a solution."

Airlines have a solution! They want you to reach into your wallet and buy a first class or business class ticket!

A few years ago an airline -- "Midwest Express" -- was inspired to equip all of their airplanes with only first class leather 2 x 2 seating with legroom instead of the usual 3 x 3 with no legroom and provide "gourmet" meals. Airlines can't make much of a profit margin on the cut-price tickets. Midwest might have reduced the capacity by about 1/3 but the passengers they had were paying customers. IIRC, the ticket price from Newark into Milwaukee was roughly the same as the United price into Chicago. My guesstimate was that any airline could do this for about $20 per ticket. But apparently air travel is so price sensitive that passengers and corporate travel departments won't pay an extra $20 for decent accommodations. Midwest Express' business model didn't survive long after the post-9/11 recession.

I usually drive or take the train now. If I want to go somewhere that I can't possibly drive to -- like Hawaii or Europe -- I use my frequent flyer miles to upgrade the ticket.

12 posted on 08/31/2014 5:15:17 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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I'll believe the problem is simply supply and demand when airfares actually make sense. I was going to fly from Binghamton to Detroit to visit my brother. Delta wanted $1,000 for the round trip. If I flew to L.A., connecting through Detroit, the cost was $750.

The airlines can probably explain this somehow but I don't see how adding a 4,000 mile round trip from Detroit to L.A. can lower a price.

Anomaly? Nope. I was flying from Newark to Greenville, SC. Fare was ~$650, connecting through Charlotte. If I flew only to Charlotte and drove the rest of the way? $970. Somehow adding a round trip to Greenville made the price go down.

To me, it seems the airlines price by what someone will pay, not what it costs the airline to operate. Business travelers and their routes get hammered.

13 posted on 08/31/2014 5:15:27 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: PeteB570

Sorry pal, I paid for my seat space, so I get to use your’s too. /s

I’ve heard that some foreign airlines have seats that recline by shifting the seat portion forward, rather than moving the seatback to the rear. That way the person who wants to recline pays for it with their own legroom and not somebody else’s.


14 posted on 08/31/2014 5:17:13 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: PeteB570

I always try to get an aisle seat because my shoulders are wider than the seat. That way I can lean into the aisle. That’s one reason I like flying Southwest - no service carts to bang into my shoulder from behind.


15 posted on 08/31/2014 5:17:42 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: PeteB570

I’m 120 lbs. I’ve had men spill into my set while I’ve had to sit my rump halfway up the window wall. I fly first on long flights but not for domestic hops. Thank you for being considerate because there are a lot who aren’t.

I may have gotten that economy price but I don’t think it means I have to perform a stationary twerk in flight!


16 posted on 08/31/2014 5:17:54 AM PDT by OpusatFR (I did make that. No one else did the work.)
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To: Kaslin

Fight or Flight???

A whole new meaning in this modern age of technology.


17 posted on 08/31/2014 5:18:27 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: RepRivFarm

True words. We flew to Arizona, first time in a long time since we’ve flown, and decided that would be the last if we can help it. We’ll take the time and drive.


18 posted on 08/31/2014 5:19:43 AM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: RepRivFarm
If the trip is 1500 miles or less, I will take extra time and drive. I avoid flying whenever possible.

I love planes, love flying. But I hate the TSA idiots and the hassle of airports. On top of that my wife of 43 years refuses to get on another plane (she is afraid of flying. Last time she was on a plane was 1988).

19 posted on 08/31/2014 5:22:45 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Kaslin

I have long-length thighbones and flying is an experience in complete discomfort for me. However, in the case of this United flight, I think the problem was not knee pain, but the top half of the seat invading his upper torso comfort zone. My understanding is that the man in question wanted to use his laptop and that’s impossible with it shoved up under your throat.


20 posted on 08/31/2014 5:24:51 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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