Hungary eyes Russia's 'illiberal' model

Hungary has increasingly courted and won favour with Russia, while rejecting the core values of the European Union.

Budapest, Hungary - As the West holds its breath waiting to see if Russia will intervene in Ukraine, there is one country looking to Moscow for inspiration: Hungary.

In a speech in late July, Prime Minister Viktor Orban said he wanted to turn Hungary into an "illiberal state" and used Russia as a model example.

"We want to build a workfare society ... which is willing to bear the odium to declare that it is not liberal in character," said Orban, adding the 2008 financial crisis proved liberal democracies cannot be competitive.

The speech proved highly controversial, grabbing international headlines and calls by Hungary's opposition groups for the European Union, of which Hungary is a member, to monitor the country's reforms.

"Hungary has gone so far as to actually reject explicitly by the prime minister the very values that guide the European Union and NATO. This has never happened before, this is a unique event," said Charles Gati, a professor of European and Eurasian studies at John Hopkins University.

Hungarians know Soros and his lieberal scum very well - Soros fled Hungary to escape arrest for being Nazi collaborator during the war. This "philantropist" was a looter of Jewish property.

Hungarians understand that lieberal lies are nothing but the license to rob people blind.

What is the most shameful is that International Republican Institute works hand in hand with American liberal scum in Eastern Europe. Because of that, from East European perspective, there is no difference between lieberals and Republicans. Sad, but true. Not to mention "F'the EU" Neocon swindlers how they contribute to the mix.

That's why Orban looks at Russia's flat tax and other social examples as a role model. Russia kicked Soros fifth column out of the country. Orban will do the same. After all evil deeds America did in Eastern Europe since Berlin wall fell, no one can blame him.

Perhaps the liberation of America is starting in Europe.

Liberalism in Russia or in that part of the world does not mean the same thing that it means over here. Neither does left-wing or right-wing mean the same thing there as it does over here. Over there, the "right wingers" are just as likely to be socialists as the leftists, but maybe in a different way. The difference is primarily a different ideological approach. The leftists are more egalitarian, at least, egalitarian to fool the mob and get rich. They want everyone to be equal, hence, socialism, and pro-homosexual advocacy. The Rightists tend to be Nationalists, as opposed to American Patriotism (there is a big difference). They are heirarchal, militaristic at times, tending to focus on ethnecities and tradition (as they see it). The New Right in Europe is often pagan, though there are "rightists" who are also fascists and also Orthodox or whatever they think is their traditional religion. Even the Pagans embrace paganism because they see it as more authentic to their people, hence, an extreme version of "traditionalism." They tend to view Christianity as being too egalitarian because we offer salvation to anyone, regardless of their race.

Liberal from the Russian standpoint means "egalitarian," which includes pro-Homosexual, but also pro-Immigrant, and, actually, Pro-Western Civilization. When they are saying that they do not like liberalism, what they are also saying is that they dislike freedom of speech, freedom to choose their leaders in a legitimate election, and things of that sort. Russia only pretends to be democratic, but not far beneath the surface, everyone knows that the regime is all powerful and you do not mess with it.

This is the definition of "liberal" that this guy is thinking of, which is why he points to the model of Russia and China (though I don't know how bad things are in Turkey and India, which he also cites), because they are both totalitarian regimes, though it seems his apologists claim that he only means "economically," that he is just thinking of their economic models as something to emulate; but economically both China and Russia are kleptocracies. Communism itself is just a form of kleptocracy, and Russia's "capitalism" is really just another form of kleptocracy, where the economy and state is essentially run by thieves and for thieves.

Orban's party appears to be of the typical European definition of "conservative," which is socialist but with Christian and traditionalist slogans, so far as I can tell looking at Fidesz's website. The only party I know to any degree of detail is Hungary's Jobbick, because Russia has been supporting them. Jobbick is what we would see as not too far removed from the Neo-Nazis. This is the real growing force in Hungary's politics, because Russia is building a coalition throughout Europe of the extreme left and right (Communists and Nazi like parties, like Jobbick and Golden Dawn). There is not much difference between them, ultimately, and even in Russia they have such things as the "Red Orthodox," that is, Communist Orthodox Christians and Monarchists.

Taking a peak into the politics of that part of the world and Russia reveals only ugly and frightening things.

NO!

The critique against him was for doing what real liberalism does not stand. In America it is called “classical liberalism” because American commies stole the word.

Orban is shutting down the free TV stations and (heavily) nudging courts toward rule by a phone call from powerful instead of rule by law.

He sort of wants to go “I am elected to power now. From now our state of order is that elections don’t matter any more and those in power now stay there until death”.

Not all words stay the same. Sometimes the difference is tremendous. Commies in America took away the word “liberalism” and made it their own. In Europe it still means freedom. Adam Smith. John Locke. In America it means something disgusting.

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