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To: wetphoenix

well, I wonder how much got lost in translation and in intentional misinterpretations.

As I heard the PM of Hungary is not letting the commies take over the country and they are rather upset...


2 posted on 08/18/2014 9:27:47 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative; Viennacon
Liberalism in Russia or in that part of the world does not mean the same thing that it means over here. Neither does left-wing or right-wing mean the same thing there as it does over here. Over there, the "right wingers" are just as likely to be socialists as the leftists, but maybe in a different way. The difference is primarily a different ideological approach. The leftists are more egalitarian, at least, egalitarian to fool the mob and get rich. They want everyone to be equal, hence, socialism, and pro-homosexual advocacy. The Rightists tend to be Nationalists, as opposed to American Patriotism (there is a big difference). They are heirarchal, militaristic at times, tending to focus on ethnecities and tradition (as they see it). The New Right in Europe is often pagan, though there are "rightists" who are also fascists and also Orthodox or whatever they think is their traditional religion. Even the Pagans embrace paganism because they see it as more authentic to their people, hence, an extreme version of "traditionalism." They tend to view Christianity as being too egalitarian because we offer salvation to anyone, regardless of their race.

Liberal from the Russian standpoint means "egalitarian," which includes pro-Homosexual, but also pro-Immigrant, and, actually, Pro-Western Civilization. When they are saying that they do not like liberalism, what they are also saying is that they dislike freedom of speech, freedom to choose their leaders in a legitimate election, and things of that sort. Russia only pretends to be democratic, but not far beneath the surface, everyone knows that the regime is all powerful and you do not mess with it.

This is the definition of "liberal" that this guy is thinking of, which is why he points to the model of Russia and China (though I don't know how bad things are in Turkey and India, which he also cites), because they are both totalitarian regimes, though it seems his apologists claim that he only means "economically," that he is just thinking of their economic models as something to emulate; but economically both China and Russia are kleptocracies. Communism itself is just a form of kleptocracy, and Russia's "capitalism" is really just another form of kleptocracy, where the economy and state is essentially run by thieves and for thieves.

Orban's party appears to be of the typical European definition of "conservative," which is socialist but with Christian and traditionalist slogans, so far as I can tell looking at Fidesz's website. The only party I know to any degree of detail is Hungary's Jobbick, because Russia has been supporting them. Jobbick is what we would see as not too far removed from the Neo-Nazis. This is the real growing force in Hungary's politics, because Russia is building a coalition throughout Europe of the extreme left and right (Communists and Nazi like parties, like Jobbick and Golden Dawn). There is not much difference between them, ultimately, and even in Russia they have such things as the "Red Orthodox," that is, Communist Orthodox Christians and Monarchists.

Taking a peak into the politics of that part of the world and Russia reveals only ugly and frightening things.

6 posted on 08/18/2014 11:49:10 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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