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West faces tough choices if Russia, Ukraine fight
REUTERS ^ | 8/16/2014 | Peter Apps

Posted on 08/16/2014 7:34:51 AM PDT by McGruff

If Russia and Ukraine slide into outright war, the United States and allies will face tough choices on how to support a friendly state they have no intention of making a full NATO member.

If Moscow ever took any such action against a NATO member, that would inevitably trigger the alliance's Chapter 5 mutual defense clause, essentially committing it to war. Ukraine, however, is not a member and Western officials say is unlikely to become one any time soon.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: chapter5; nato; peterapps; putinsbuttboys; russia; sellpopcorn; ukraine; unitedkingdom
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Send Wesley Clarke over there. He'll stop those Russians.
1 posted on 08/16/2014 7:34:51 AM PDT by McGruff
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LOL as long as James Blunt doesn't refuse to follow his orders and tell him to start WWIII on his own.



He doesn't look all that tough and despite his falsetto singing voice, he's the real deal.
2 posted on 08/16/2014 7:39:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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If Russia invades Ukraine in full force I’m afraid that will unlock NATO and Russia will go down to defeat.


3 posted on 08/16/2014 7:41:22 AM PDT by Logical me
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If Russia invades Ukraine in full force I’m afraid that will unlock NATO and Russia will go down to defeat.


4 posted on 08/16/2014 7:41:33 AM PDT by Logical me
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I thought there was already a defense pact, the Budapest Memorandum, signed by Mr. Rodham-Clinton.


5 posted on 08/16/2014 7:42:53 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Kerry, as Obama's plenipotentiary, is a paradox - the physical presence of a geopolitical absence")
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To: Logical me

Russia is not going to go down without America getting wet


6 posted on 08/16/2014 7:49:10 AM PDT by reefdiver (The fool says there is no God. And the bigger fools sees direct evidence and rages against it.)
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What choice? If they fight, obama tees off at 7:00am. If they don’t, tee time is 6:30am. There, problem solved.


7 posted on 08/16/2014 7:50:19 AM PDT by Paulie (Get off the grid.)
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To: Logical me

A phyric victory for the irradiated survivors.


8 posted on 08/16/2014 7:52:14 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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If Russia and Ukraine slide into outright war mac daddy will not know about it until he reads about it in the news paper and then will go on vacation.


9 posted on 08/16/2014 8:08:19 AM PDT by chiefqc
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At some point we must take a stand against Russia our number one enemy.

Ukraine is fighting for it’s independence as we once did, we cannot ignore that.


10 posted on 08/16/2014 8:16:07 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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It’s a sticky situation but they wouldn’t fight if we were already there in force.


11 posted on 08/16/2014 8:20:13 AM PDT by Williams
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Weasley Clark is a bum. A butt kissing Klinton fan.


12 posted on 08/16/2014 8:21:08 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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Wrong. NATO ain’t gonna do nothing. It takes the USA to make NATO a force and our golf playing Sunni Muslin president is not going to do anything that interferes with the golf game.


13 posted on 08/16/2014 8:22:33 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: McGruff

Obama defies our warning. So we should provide arms assistance to Ukes, and advisers on contract.


14 posted on 08/16/2014 8:42:45 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama is actually a narco-terrorist. Consider that charge carefully.)
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We ignore everything else. Obozo will play golf and play like the world is quiet.


15 posted on 08/16/2014 8:43:41 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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Russia is not going to go down without America getting wet

It was tragic, the way we nuked Russia for supplying North Vietnam during the Vietnam War, and flying Migs against our flyboys. And fully predictable, when the Russians nuked us for supplying the mujahideen during the Afghan-Soviet War.

16 posted on 08/16/2014 8:45:05 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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You can get wet without nukes


17 posted on 08/16/2014 9:19:07 AM PDT by reefdiver (The fool says there is no God. And the bigger fools sees direct evidence and rages against it.)
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Easy answer. Zero will choose whatever alternative is most detrimental to the US.


18 posted on 08/16/2014 10:52:46 AM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (It is no more than a dream remembered, a Civilization gone with the wind.)
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Our M.O. is to park a carrier off the coast and bomb missile and artillery sites. Low risk. How many missile sites get hit before Russia tries to sink a carrier? No one we’ve faced in the last, 60 years could make a credible threat against a carrier. Sink one of those and more guys “get wet” (as in sink or swim) than we lost in the 13 years following 9/11. Not low risk. How many Americans can find Ukraine on a map? What was the last think you bought that was Made in Ukraine (mine was beer I didn’t like). In Korea and Vietnam we sent guys to die to free our friends. Most other times it has taken some action against the US to get the people behind and a war. I don’t know if we as a county (whoever is President) to put the requisite skin in this game. Not saying that,it was Regan or Kennedy, or Nixon or Johnson, or Eisenhower or Truman, that it would have come this far.


19 posted on 08/16/2014 11:06:38 AM PDT by NYFriend
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Ukraine, or at least its present government is pro-American. That disqualifies it from sympathy or effective aid from the US.


20 posted on 08/16/2014 11:20:53 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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