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America's Selective Libertarianism
Townhall.com ^ | August 15, 2014 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 08/15/2014 12:52:02 PM PDT by Kaslin

There's an old rule in journalism: All you need are three good examples to prove a trend.

And by that measure, writer Robert Draper had more than he needed to declare a new "libertarian moment" in American politics. In a New York Times Magazine cover story, Draper made exactly that case. His chief evidence: Young people are more libertarian today, and libertarian ideas are having a renaissance on the right. Also, self-described "libertarian-ish" Sen. Rand Paul's star is on the rise, thanks in part to national exhaustion with foreign interventions. Plus: recent victories for legalized weed and gay marriage.

All of these things are largely true, but Draper is still wrong, or at least not quite as right as he (or for that matter, I) would like.

As liberal writer Jonathan Chait notes, much of the polling showing that young people are libertarian has been done by organizations eager to find that result. So while it is true that young people are more "libertarian" on social issues and foreign policy, they are also more progressive on the role of government. Pew finds that 53 percent of millennials favor "bigger government." Meanwhile, Chait writes, "older Americans oppose 'bigger government' in the abstract by a margin of some 40 percentage points. That young voters actually favor 'bigger government' in the abstract is a sea change in generational opinion, not to mention conclusive evidence against their alleged libertarianism."

Chait's right.

On the other hand, it's also true that young people are more libertarian than ever before. How can that be? Lots of reasons. I'll give you three. First, as The Federalist's Ben Domenech points out, the millennials are the biggest generation in American history. Ideologically, it contains multitudes. It can be collectively more socialist while still containing more libertarians than ever before.

Second, it's the most diverse generation in history, and non-whites (young and old) favor bigger government by wide margins. A slim majority (53 percent) of white millennials want less government, according to Pew, but a huge majority of non-white millennials (71 percent) want more government. Make of that what you will.

Last, not only is the millennial generation collectively inconsistent, most individual young Americans are inconsistent, too -- just like everyone else.

Everyone considers themselves libertarian on the issues they are libertarian about. If you think government shouldn't collect your email and phone logs, you're libertarian on national security issues. If you think you have a right to carry a firearm, you're libertarian about guns. And so it goes with drugs, property rights, free speech, health care, etc. Conservatives are very libertarian about some things and very conservative about others. Ditto liberals and most socialists.

Ideologically consistent libertarians -- i.e., people who want freedom across the board -- are very vocal, but they are far from legion. And even among the faithful there is still considerable disagreement about issues like abortion or drug legalization beyond marijuana. In principle most Americans simply want government to do good where it can and do no harm anywhere else.

Moreover, people want to maximize freedom in the abstract, but they are loath to pay much of a price for it in their own lives (hence the famous 1964 finding by social psychologists Lloyd Free and Hadley Cantril that Americans are operationally liberal but ideologically conservative).

I wish it were otherwise, but people tend to be libertarian only after it's demonstrated to them that the government can't deliver the results they want.

And that, I think, is the elephant in the room Draper largely misses. Example is the school of mankind and they will learn at no other, Edmund Burke observed. What he meant was that you can't just tell people X won't work; they have to see and experience the failure of X on their own. Noam Chomsky didn't suddenly become more persuasive during the Bush years. The reality of the Iraq war turned people off military interventions.

To the extent that libertarian ideas are gaining new currency outside the GOP, it's because of government's failures. Particularly for young people -- especially more affluent young people -- the yawning chasm between the efficiency of the private sector and the haplessness of the public sector is poisonous to faith in government. The VA scandal, the clownish rollout of the Obamacare website and the near wholesale inability of Barack Obama to deliver on his economic promises have done more to breathe new life into libertarianism than a thousand lectures about Friedrich Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" ever could.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: libertarianism; usa

1 posted on 08/15/2014 12:52:02 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
So while it is true that young people are more "libertarian" on social issues and foreign policy, they are also more progressive on the role of government. Pew finds that 53 percent of millennials favor "bigger government."

Actually, if a "libertarian" wants big government then the word has lost all meaning.

I prefer to stick to the term "classic liberal". I know what that means, and to belong you don't have to favor drugs, abortion, and homosexual marriage.

2 posted on 08/15/2014 1:00:58 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron

Libertarianism for me, but not for thee.

I want to use drugs, and I want you to pay my welfare, when I can’t get hired because of it.


3 posted on 08/15/2014 1:03:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kaslin
Homosexual "marriage" is not a libertarian proposal. It's an authoritarian proposal. Homosexuals can walk out in the street at any time and declare, "We're married!" but until recently, they couldn't force others to treat them as married. Now they can.
4 posted on 08/15/2014 1:14:12 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: marron

That’s right. If you can consider yourself progressive, then you’re not libertarian.

‘A rose is a rose is a rose’ — Gertrude Stein, and socialism by any other name is still socialism.


5 posted on 08/15/2014 1:16:12 PM PDT by Usagi_yo (I don't have a soul, I'm a soul that has a body. -- Unknown)
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To: Tax-chick

No, that isn’t the libertarian position at all, for one thing gays could always do that 200 years ago, or 100, or 20 years ago.

Here is the libertarian position.

1.4 Personal Relationships
Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.


6 posted on 08/15/2014 1:41:58 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Kaslin
As John Adams noted, our form of freedom was intended for a Christian people. Christians guided by their notions of morality, raised in a loving family, part of a community of other free citizens who care about each other, ensure that freedom does not become license.

In a post-Christian America, such freedom leads to abortion, drugs, single mothers and homosexual marriage. You can try to legislate a Christian morality, but destroying our traditions and our faith have made that more and more difficult as time goes on in a representative republic. Especially when every time the moral majority gets the upper hand, they change the electorate.

7 posted on 08/15/2014 1:45:01 PM PDT by Defiant (4 main US grps: conservatives, useless idiots (aka RINOs), marxists and useful idiots (aka liberals))
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To: marron

Libertarians will happily trade and keep big givernment in exchange for gay marriage, legal drugs and open borders.

“Brave New World”


8 posted on 08/15/2014 2:00:29 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

A libertarian society presupposes a citizenry of wisdom and virtue. Americans are way too hooked on freebies to embrace a philosophy so grounded in self-reliance.


9 posted on 08/15/2014 3:00:53 PM PDT by huckfillary
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To: huckfillary

That is why I call it Libertopianism. If people were perfect...


10 posted on 08/15/2014 3:02:29 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!

11 posted on 08/15/2014 4:45:58 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Kaslin

A search with keywords in quotes, “outright libertarians” yielded

https://ixquick.com/do/search?q=%22outright+libertarians%22

about 9,490 results. That’s probably darned near all of ‘em.


12 posted on 08/15/2014 6:43:20 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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