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Monkey Business at Amazon
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2014/08/monkey_business088991.html ^

Posted on 08/14/2014 6:01:35 PM PDT by truthfinder9

Hmm, what's this? We noticed that overnight eight 5-star reviews for Stephen Meyer's book Darwin's Doubt were mysteriously erased. Just vanished. Since these were positive reviews, it is unlikely they were "abusive" which is the normal criterion that Amazon has for removing reviews. Interesting.

These kinds of shenanigans always seem to happen when our critics are feeling maximally pressed because they can't answer our arguments on the merits. They thus see the need to resort to schemes and tricks. It's an admission of intellectual defeat.

We've also heard claims about people trying to reshelf Meyer's book in the religion section at the bookstore or get it officially reclassified as a Christian title instead science, and so on. University of Chicago biologist and evolution defender Jerry Coyne applauds such efforts. Anything to avoid a real debate.

No words could be more appropriate than those of Coyne's University of Chicago colleague, mathematician Leo Kadanoff, in thanking William Dembski for his presentation there yesterday:

"I think the ball is in the court of people who believe in evolution. They have to deal with these questions. ...Bill [Dembski] has made his case and we should all go home and think."

So...that was yesterday, and hours later someone is trying to sweep the positive reviews off the Amazon page for Darwin's Doubt. No doubt a coincidence.

Dr. Kadanoff, whose own views on intelligent design we don't know, thinks Darwinists should man up and address the evidence for ID rather than dodging, as per their usual custom. That would be most welcome.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amazon; censorship; darwinsdoubt; evofundies; evolution; science; skullduggery; stephenmeyer
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To: Moonman62

Yes. Whining about creationism or intelligent design.

Like geologists whining about hollow Earth theory.

It’s like shut up and sing. Shut up and do science, if indeed they claim to be scientists as opposed to culture warriors.


41 posted on 08/14/2014 7:22:25 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: mylife

I go to Amazon just to read the reviews. I usually don’t bother with the actual book.


42 posted on 08/14/2014 7:23:05 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

In general, I find the reviews there quite informative, but understand reviews get hacked.


43 posted on 08/14/2014 7:27:26 PM PDT by mylife
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To: mylife

Thank you, you are right....the fact that Amazon makes as much as it does on something it never put a moment of talent into is ludicrous.

I stand with the 900 authors who are drawing attention to this, as Amazon has been cheating authors for years without anyone knowing anything about it until Hatchette Publishers stood up to them.

Yes, this is a new world of give me, give me, and I don’t want to pay anything for it.


44 posted on 08/14/2014 7:29:34 PM PDT by Kackikat (ELECTED officials took an OATH...Time to honor it....be a Patriot.)
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To: chaosagent

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/aug/08/authors-ad-new-york-times-petition-amazon

Actually read the article....it is enlightening...this isn’t the first time Amazon started trying to control pricing by trying to destroy certain publishers or authors.

I stand with the 900 who aren’t scared Amazon will cut them off, as some have already lost sales, it isn’t about the money anymore....it’s the principle of the thing. Those who want someone else’s work without paying properly for it deserve neither the book nor the wisdom in it.


45 posted on 08/14/2014 7:31:57 PM PDT by Kackikat (ELECTED officials took an OATH...Time to honor it....be a Patriot.)
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To: Kackikat

While I feel your pain, you needn’t market through them.

I have zero income,have been tossed aside.


46 posted on 08/14/2014 7:33:11 PM PDT by mylife
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I’ll have to find another pipeline...


47 posted on 08/14/2014 7:35:35 PM PDT by mylife
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To: mylife

Amazon reviews have helped us a lot. We were looking at a Consumer Reports top rated washing machine, but a bunch of one star reviews revealed the pump was attached to the bin with plastic brackets that would often break after 18-months or so. The water would then not shut off for 30 minutes with resulting water damage. Can’t fault CR for missing that, but CR/Amazon combo is VERY reliable.


48 posted on 08/14/2014 7:41:16 PM PDT by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: Kackikat

http://dearauthor.com/ebooks/has-everyone-conceded-the-us-ebook-market-to-amazon/

Times are tough, You have other talents.


49 posted on 08/14/2014 7:46:42 PM PDT by mylife
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free

In general I find Amazons reviews to be very dependable.

Just do the math,
500 give it 5 stars
200 give it 4 stars
10 give it 3 stars
5 give it 2 stars
and 1 guy gives it 1 star


50 posted on 08/14/2014 7:50:05 PM PDT by mylife
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To: ifinnegan

So it’s really just your feelings about the matter, not some scientific measure. For all we know, the vast majority of biologists ignore the ID crowd.


51 posted on 08/14/2014 7:52:14 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: mylife

You missed the whole point....This is not about Hatchette, but about the swallowing up of a market, and mistreating those who make it happen. Hatchette was an easy target for Amazon.....the issue isn’t the Publisher but the intent.

http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2014/08/10/amazonhachette-war/

Amazon may be a great retailer, but I think they do not deserve the book and e book market. Their actions are no different that Obama and the democrats, it’s a dictatorship of pricing and profits that Amazon wants. I concede nothing nor do those 900 authors in the petition.

Yes, I have many talents and I use them all.


52 posted on 08/14/2014 8:03:53 PM PDT by Kackikat (ELECTED officials took an OATH...Time to honor it....be a Patriot.)
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To: Kackikat

Is that not what the article I linked was about?

Amazon swallowing the market?


53 posted on 08/14/2014 8:07:00 PM PDT by mylife
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To: mylife

“you needn’t market through them.” I am not sure what you mean by that statement.

I am sorry you lost your income, and I pray you find what you want and need as a career....I think you meant you lost your job?

I don’t need a job, yet I do things now as a hobby. To use my talents....as everyone should.


54 posted on 08/14/2014 8:07:57 PM PDT by Kackikat (ELECTED officials took an OATH...Time to honor it....be a Patriot.)
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To: mylife

Oh I am so sorry, that comment was for ‘chaosagent’, not you...lol That wasn’t meant for you...you had it right.


55 posted on 08/14/2014 8:09:28 PM PDT by Kackikat (ELECTED officials took an OATH...Time to honor it....be a Patriot.)
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To: chaosagent

http://dearauthor.com/ebooks/has-everyone-conceded-the-us-ebook-market-to-amazon/

The whole Amazon/Hatchette fiasco is more about ‘control of the Market and Author royalties’ than it is about the cost of e books, it’s Amazon wanting the be the monopoly and control the prices....Some of us have had enough of that nonsense.


56 posted on 08/14/2014 8:14:17 PM PDT by Kackikat (ELECTED officials took an OATH...Time to honor it....be a Patriot.)
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To: Kackikat

Can’t remember the last time I downloaded a FREE book.

Are you aware that last year, Apple, Hachette, and other big publishers were found guilty by a Federal judge of collusion to set ebook prices artificially high in a price-fixing scheme?

And it was not ‘Amazon’s’ petition. It was done by a group of Amazon authors, like Hugh Howey, Russell Blake, JA Konrath, and others, who have sold MILLIONS of books on Amazon. Just as the Hachette petition was done by their authors.

I have a close friend who is a New York Times Best Selling author who sells on Amazon. He sells his ebooks for $3.99 and has sold multi-hundreds of thousands of copies, and now a Hollywood production company has shown interest in one of his books.

So much for ‘crap’.


57 posted on 08/14/2014 8:14:29 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Kackikat

BTW Amazon is positioning itself to swallow the Cable and Dish markets.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/amazon-bet-1-billion-cut-cord-why-121935793.html

http://www.amazon.com/Fire-TV-streaming-media-player/dp/B00CX5P8FC


58 posted on 08/14/2014 8:15:57 PM PDT by mylife
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To: mylife
Pssst While the DoJ’s case is getting all the attention, it should not be forgotten that all the above parties are also being sued by sixteen State Attorneys-General who are seeking both injunctive relief, and compensation for “e-book customers paying $100 million in overcharges.” HarperCollins and Hachette have also settled that case; as it stands, the remaining parties will go to court.

Hachette is one of the entities that are trying to "price-fix" e-books.

There is no righteous side in this current spat.

59 posted on 08/14/2014 8:16:17 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: chaosagent

One author does not an industry make....I do not want a monopoly controlling the publishing and sales pricing of e books, period.


60 posted on 08/14/2014 8:17:57 PM PDT by Kackikat (ELECTED officials took an OATH...Time to honor it....be a Patriot.)
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