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IRS gives full account of lost Lerner emails
Politico ^ | July 18, 2014 | Rachael Bade

Posted on 07/19/2014 10:41:07 AM PDT by Innovative

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To: Innovative

* ALINSKY’S RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)


21 posted on 07/19/2014 10:50:36 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Eva

Blackberries do have limited storage — they, as the computers access the servers, from where they download the emails they want to read, but that doesn’t impact their staying on the servers, unless they are DELIBERATELY DELETED.


22 posted on 07/19/2014 10:50:40 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: tacticalogic

how can they say for sure .. WHAT their data says ?


23 posted on 07/19/2014 10:51:22 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Innovative

There oughta be a law — Oh, wait, there is.


24 posted on 07/19/2014 10:51:34 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Innovative

The “full account” is to restate the excuse?


25 posted on 07/19/2014 10:52:39 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Innovative
....IRS gives full account of lost Lerner emails....

what a ridiculously deceptive headline...

26 posted on 07/19/2014 10:53:08 AM PDT by rolling_stone (1984)
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To: DoughtyOne

how about the state collects the taxes, cuts a percentage check to Sam and everybody just walks away


27 posted on 07/19/2014 10:53:17 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Innovative

“Honest teacher! The dog ate my homework, and he puked some of it back up. But it must have tasted good to him, because he went and ate seven other kid’s homework.”


28 posted on 07/19/2014 10:53:21 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Innovative

Anyone involved in this conspiracy is a felon.

Anyone who believes the story is a fool.

Anyone who has seen federal contractor’s requirements for data security, access, backup, etc. knows the redundancy and audit trail that are required, just as Uncle Sam requires them of himself - mostly because redundancy of equipment and procedures equals redundancy of staffing i.e. more federal workers to vote Democrat.

The point is that the fed’s own standard practices make this story even more preposterous.

Some clever Congressman should solicit IT volunteers to recover the e-mails the IRS says it can’t or won’t produce. The volunteers will sign non-disclosures since the IRS will predictably cite taxpayer privacy. When a flood of consultants much smarter and motivated than the fed’s cube critters are set loose on the project let’s see what happens next.


29 posted on 07/19/2014 10:54:04 AM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends)
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To: Innovative

Technically a hard drive that crashes is destroyed, NOT wiped and recycled.


30 posted on 07/19/2014 10:55:27 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Innovative
ignoring the FACT that emails are NOT stored on people's personal computers but on servers which are also backed up.

Where emails are stored depends on the architecture of the email system. Typical consumer email systems which provide web access store the emails on the server. Systems using IMAP or Microsoft's MAPI protocols typically keep the emails on the server. But on systems using the POP3 protocol emails are downloaded from the mail server to the system running the mail reader and are either immediately or some time later deleted from the server.

So if Ms. Lerner and her fellow IRS employees used POP3 protocol mail readers, then it would be possible that the mail did not exist on any server within a few days of the receipt of the email. Of course either backups of the local email files, or some other email retention strategy should have been in place as required by law. And the idea that the IT folks in the IRS are so inept as to not have backups of their systems is while possible, not likely.

Needless to say both the decision to destroy the hard drive's contents, and to delete or write over backups once an investigation was underway seems highly irregular.

31 posted on 07/19/2014 10:57:25 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Fresh Wind

“I’ll take “nobody” for $1000, Alex.”

Coulda sworn I saw Nosmo King do it.............


32 posted on 07/19/2014 10:58:46 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: Innovative

“Under oath” don’t mean squat to establishment government bureaucrats or RATs but I repeat myself.


33 posted on 07/19/2014 10:58:48 AM PDT by uncitizen (Buckle up! We're on the Facism Fast Track!)
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To: AmericanVictory

It seems IRS has records going back to 1791, but couldn’t keep Lerner’s emails for more than six months!

Records of the Internal Revenue Service [IRS]

(Record Group 58)
1791-1996

http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/058.html


34 posted on 07/19/2014 11:00:34 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

It was wiped clean, recycled, given to an outside contractor who then hit it numerous times with a sledge hammer and threw it into an active volcano.


35 posted on 07/19/2014 11:03:28 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: freeandfreezing

“So if Ms. Lerner and her fellow IRS employees used POP3 protocol mail readers, then it would be possible that the mail did not exist on any server within a few days of the receipt of the email. Of course either backups of the local email files, or some other email retention strategy should have been in place as required by law.”

Be serious — we are not talking about someone’s home emails, we are talking about the IRS!


36 posted on 07/19/2014 11:03:36 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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37 posted on 07/19/2014 11:04:22 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: freeandfreezing

If she was using POP3, then she wouldn’t be able to check her email anywhere other than where she happened to be logged into. I imagine someone as high up in the IRS as Lerner travels quite a bit. Even if she was using a PST file, she’d have to have it in a central server location so she could access it from other IRS locations.


38 posted on 07/19/2014 11:06:34 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: longfellow
no more taxes then.
why should we pay for incompetence?

My exact thought after having to call the IRS this past week. The employees were either completely rude or obtuse beyond imagination. We desperately need to take the IRS down and flatten out our tax code. These people should not be living off our dime.

39 posted on 07/19/2014 11:07:05 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: knarf

I’m not against it in principle, but it seems to me an agency would need to be present in each state for enforcement.

I lean more along the lines of a national income tax. If the general withholding were done away with, this would appeal to me.

The individual would instantly no longer be scrutinized. Each citizen would pay sales tax on non-essentials. Food, medicine, medical services, and medical equipment should be exempted.

I believe housing should also be exempted, at least for the primary residency.

I’m sure some folks could tweak this better than I have here, but my essential goal is the completely slice off the IRS or any follow-on agency.


40 posted on 07/19/2014 11:10:17 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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