Posted on 04/13/2014 3:06:56 AM PDT by BurningOak
Ukrainian forces and pro-Russian armed men have traded gunfire in a battle for control of the eastern town of Sloviansk, the interior minister says.
At least one Ukrainian officer was killed and both sides suffered casualties, Arsen Avakov said.
Pro-Russian forces took over the town on Saturday, prompting Kiev to launch an "anti-terror operation".
Kiev and Western powers accuse Moscow of inciting the trouble. The Kremlin denies the charge.
Sloviansk was one of three towns in the Donetsk region to be hit by pro-Russian gunmen on Saturday.
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"Unidentified Men" (no insignia) but using special forces tactics and armed with Russian special forces weapons, are attacking Ukrainian police and government infrastructure, destroying communication lines, and killing those that resist. Most likely a mixture of Russian commandos and local paramilitary police loyal to the Russian government (the disbanded Berkut anti-riot police). Once they take over the infrastructure, Russian civilian mobs move in and barricade inside structure with weapons, hoping to either scare off any response, or provoke blood bath which can be used as an excuse for open invasion by Russia.
Very serious, and incredibly upsetting. Never before as an American, have I felt so impotent when it comes to world affairs. I am happy that we won with the cow ranch in Nevada, but to win a piece of desert and to lose Europe is a bad trade. This must not be allowed to pass.
This is very bad news. I would be very surprised if the Russians don’t invade in the next day. We can only hope the Ukrainians have been considering how to use asymmetrical warfare to inflict maximum cost in lives and money on the Russian invaders.
Just like Yugoslavia in 1991.
West winks ate Croats/Ukrainians “Just go ahead, we will keep your back, just slam those Serbs/Russians”
Aaaaand it allll went sooo well.
The US is a ship without a captain.
While Russia’s ship has a captain screaming “full speed ahead”.
There are posters with Serbian sympathies here who seem to feel this os a replay of Kosovo. Which I agree is Serbian. This is different this is about controlling europes energy market. Where is this area Putin’s concentrating on ? Here is a map of european shale finds http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3141958/posts
Note the eastern border between White Russia (Belaruss) and Russia. Are those towns mentioned within or near that area ? If they are he’s after keeping shale oil for companies Putin and his Ruussian Oligarch buddies run and from the Ukrainian people.
The weapons used by the unidentified pro-Russian forces are highly unusual. The reason being owning anything other than a shotgun in Ukraine is virtually impossible. Even the shotgun or a .22 requires paperwork and bribes most Ukrainians cannot justify or afford.
So where did the pro-Russians get weapons? The answer to that should be obvious. AFAIK, the Berkut was never disbanded. Nor where they normally armed based on the pictures of the Maidan protests.
Barack Al-Obama makes it EMBARASSING to be an American.
The weapons used by the unidentified pro-Russian forces are highly unusual.
BBC reports the “Ukrainian” Russians using slang from St. Petersburg. Putin’s no insignia and mask wearing fag army on the march again.
Commies with guns hiding behind women and children. Been going on over a hundred years in that part of the wrold
Yeah, that was the third war Milosevic started. I remember going through Kosovo and seeing nearly all the roofs blown off of the houses. His troops would enter the empty homes, (the Kosovars had fled, remember) turn on the gas, and then toss a grenade in to them. The roofs flew off. Probably over half the homes I saw were like that. As you recall, he lost that war, too, like the others. Then, his own people overthrew him; he was indisputably a bad leader. He was like Putin, too. He’d been a commie, then when that viciousness racket ended he needed a new gig to justify his power. Again, like Putin, he wrapped himself in ultra-nationalism and ethnic chauvinism. I imagine you remember all of that, though. He had his cheerleaders too. But in the end, his own hubris brought him down.
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-344554-five-reasons-why-crimea-cannot-be-compared-with-kosovo-by-hajrudin-somun-.html
Which was initiated and abetted by the West that supported and financed groups in Yugoslavia opposed to his rule. And it later it successfully dissolved even the rump Yugoslavia to secure its hegemony in southeastern Europe.
Are you kidding me, Serbia was fighting Muslim terrorists(the Kosovo liberation army) and was fully justified and the serbian goverment was behind no war crimes, thats just pro islamic pro clinton proganda, K.L.A had been torching churches and sent the country into the civil war
http://www.wnd.com/2007/05/41373/
This is self-determination. I don't think anybody's denying that these are real citizens of eastern Ukraine protesting for independence from Kiev, and to join Russia if that's what they vote for.
“There are reports that a majority of the Ukranian troops in Crimea chose to leave the Ukraine military and stay in Crimea. I don’t think it’s a stretch to consider that they are quite capable at getting hold of Ukranian weapons (such as they were) and have their own weapons. They probably also brought with them the skills to organize a military response to the thug government of Kiev.”
What you falsely name as a “the thug government of Kiev” is the government appointed by the legitimately elected parliament of the independent state of the Ukraine. What you call the “thug government of Kiev” is the criminal President Yanukovych and his appointed ministers who are ethnic Russians supported and sponsored by the Russian KGB-FSB secret police. The Ukrainian Parliament at the insistence of the majority of the citizens of the Ukraine are putting a halt to the “thug” tactics of Russia’s Ukrainian puppets, including their monumental embezzlements of the state treasury, the abductions and assssinations of opposition Ukrainians, and their subversion and breaches of the Ukrainian constitutions.
“This is self-determination. I don’t think anybody’s denying that these are real citizens of eastern Ukraine protesting for independence from Kiev, and to join Russia if that’s what they vote for.”
Your statement is a heinous lie. The about 70% to 75% majority of the Ukrainians are not ethnic Russians in the eastern and southern Oblasts, and they along with most ethnic Russian Ukrainians have consistently opposed annexation by Russia. So, these infiltrations and insurrectionist seizures of Ukrainian territories by Russian Spetsnaz covert troops masquerading as Ukrainian protestors is exactly contrary to Ukrainian self-determination. Instead, these acts of war by Russia are crimes against the peace in violation of international law and punishable under international law.
“What you falsely name as a “the thug government of Kiev” is the government appointed by the legitimately elected parliament of the independent state of the Ukraine.”
Sorry, but that is semanyics, and opinion.
Bottom line:
The elected Government fell in coup, and some people in Ukraine have a problem with it.
That’s caused a lot of Civil Wars in human history.
semanyics=semantics
“Ukraine is game to you?”
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