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School Data Finds Pattern of Inequality Along Racial Lines
New York Times ^ | March 21, 2014 | MOTOKO RICH

Posted on 03/21/2014 12:27:45 PM PDT by reaganaut1

Racial minorities are more likely than white students to be suspended from school, to have less access to rigorous math and science classes, and to be taught by lower-paid teachers with less experience, according to comprehensive data released Friday by the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights.

In the first analysis in nearly 15 years of information from all of the country’s 97,000 public schools, the Education Department found a pattern of inequality on a number of fronts, with race as the dividing factor.

Black students are suspended and expelled at three times the rate of white students. A quarter of high schools with the highest percentage of black and Latino students do not offer any Algebra II courses, while a third of those schools do not have any chemistry classes. Black students are more than four times as likely as white students — and Latino students are twice as likely — to attend schools where one out of every five teachers does not meet all state teaching requirements.

“Here we are, 60 years after Brown v. Board of Education, and the data altogether still show a picture of gross inequity in educational opportunity,” said Daniel J. Losen, director of the Center for Civil Rights Remedies at the University of California at Los Angeles’s Civil Rights Project.

In his budget request to Congress, President Obama has proposed a new phase of his administration’s Race to the Top competitive grant program, which would give $300 million in incentives to states and districts that put in place programs intended to close some of the educational gaps identified in the data.

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One of the striking statistics to emerge from the data, based on information collected during the 2011-12 academic year, was that even as early as preschool, black students face harsher

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bellcurve; blacks; education; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; race; schooldiscipline; schoolsuspensions
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To: FredZarguna

“Mathematics is neither compassionate nor merciless. It is what it is.”

I’d say “Reality” rather than “Mathematics”, but I completely agree with your take on this.

When it comes to explaining the realities of racial issues, “The Bell Curve” provides most of the answers.

I’ve come to the conclusion that two easily identifiable groups (skin color or other features) of people with significantly different IQ distributions cannot coexist peacefully in the same society.

As for whether it’s wisdom vs intelligence, it’s true that not all intelligent people are wise, but I would say the great maority of wise people are also intelligent.


61 posted on 03/21/2014 1:34:56 PM PDT by aquila48 (tota)
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To: aquila48

I don’t agree that such groups cannot coexist peacefully in the same society.

They can’t coexist in the same society peacefully if one group is held to a lower/different standard than the other. That will never work.

When all are held to the same standard, people can trust one another. Otherwise, there can be no peaceful coexistence.


62 posted on 03/21/2014 1:41:48 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: reaganaut1

How about single parent homes rather than race? Black children stats say 75% are born out of wedlock. They populate a higher percentage of the prison population. Yes, blacks are more likely to listen to Jesse & other race baiters to keep them on the democrat voter welfare plantation.


63 posted on 03/21/2014 1:42:04 PM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Intelligence has a definition in social science. It is nothing more nor less than what IQ tests measure. It is one number. That is not to say that the colloquial use of "intelligence" and the term-of-art used by psychometry is the same. But I am not talking about a vague word. I am saying the mean value of ONE NUMBER that constitutes intelligence in social science is statistically a whole standard deviation lower for a certain cohort. And, that ONE NUMBER strongly correlates [statistically] to a very large number of outcomes.

Sowell has argued, in very many places, that there is a feedback mechanism between certain outcomes and intelligence based on the anomalous intergenerational [historical] test results of Eastern Europeans in the early 20th century. That is as may be; but the Eastern European immigrants understood intuitively that whatever the problem was, it was their problem to solve, and not the rest of society's.

64 posted on 03/21/2014 1:50:08 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: reaganaut1

Maybe good teachers don’t want to teach unmotivated, stupid kids, in a dangerous ghetto.


65 posted on 03/21/2014 1:51:40 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: TurboZamboni
A famous line, not the least bit applicable to my point.

I have not suggested that people with less capacity cannot meet the modest expectations of our public school system; our expectations for all of our students are too low. Nobody is really challenged. The point is that differences in outcomes are still going to exist, and attributing them to "racism" is idiotic when the underlying cause is quite well known -- and no one wants to talk about it.

66 posted on 03/21/2014 1:56:11 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: aquila48
The NYT assumes a reality that doesn’t exist and then when reality disagrees with their assumption they conclude that it’s reality that is wrong not their assumption.

I call that "reversing cause and effect."

It's one of the Left's "strategies" for "what to do when all the objective facts are against you and your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on."

67 posted on 03/21/2014 1:58:47 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: reaganaut1

I have a friend who is an assistant principal at an elementary school.

She told me they had to hire a “behavioral specialist” to get the kids “under control”. She said that the kids were “basically animals” and would “curse and hit the teachers and that the school district has tied there hands to discipline the kids”
He husband who teaches science at a middle school was shoved through a sheet rock wall at the end of the school year. He required a trip to the hospital by ambulance. The school did nothing to the kid. He has bad severe asthma, the kids have been spraying him in the face with deodorant saying “die motherfu**er die”. The school does nothing.

Can you guess the racial breakdown of the school????

How can teachers teach? How can good kids learn in that environment? They can’t. Test scores decline as discipline is done away with. Now Holder and Obama want to excuse this behavior?? Really....

Save your kids, grand kids, nieces and nephews...get them out of public school so they can learn. without the youth, America is finished.

Sorry, rant ran long...sore subject for me.


68 posted on 03/21/2014 2:19:26 PM PDT by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: reaganaut1

I basically believe any report put together by a bunch of race hustling, lib scoundrels will be a pack of lies. There is not one school district in the country where black students out achieve other ethnic groups. In virtually every district, black students are on the bottom. Are all these school districts run by racist teachers and administrators determined to keep those black kids down? Of course not. The truth is too hard for libs to bear.


69 posted on 03/21/2014 2:21:23 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: mountn man

Dr. Carson is very good example(he might not agree with me) of what Dr Shockley,(he of the transistor fame of Stanford and world renowned but blackballed scientist on genetic traits) claimed as to different aptitude and intelligence curves for different races(the dirty word) i.e. each race has its own population curve and the curves do overlap as to the different qualities. Dr. Carson and Einstein are examples of curve extremities. It bothers me that people would or want to deny there are different races in the same humanity of creation and that there are differences in humans.


70 posted on 03/21/2014 2:21:47 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: FredZarguna
"average intelligence"

Convincing liberals that there are differences in IQs between the races that determine success in school (and life) will be the hardest obstacle for realists to overcome. As long as libs run things, they will never give up on the falsehood that all ethnic groups are equal in intelligence.

They can't give it up...that would mean rejecting the religion of liberalism. It would mean a denial of all their beliefs. Liberalism is built on an edifice of lies, and when the lie is exposed, the edifice would come crashing down.

71 posted on 03/21/2014 2:26:45 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: cuban leaf
The dividing line is income level.

But the question of why the disparities in income opens up even more questions that are just as difficult and politically incorrect to address.

72 posted on 03/21/2014 2:29:55 PM PDT by Will88
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
This is like saying it's not fair that blacks are disproportionately in prison for murder just because they commit 50% of the murders when they are only 12% of the population.

It's amazing (and disgusting) how often I've heard recent radio and TV spots that present these disparities in disciplinary action as if that alone establishes racial discrimination that must be investigated. NO mention at all of which groups actually present the most behavioral problems.

73 posted on 03/21/2014 2:37:24 PM PDT by Will88
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To: reaganaut1
How about putting it this way.

Any person if they wish to succeed in getting an education can succeed regardless of the school (or no school), regardless of the teachers and regardless of their background.

Especially in the age of the internet anyone can learn almost anything they want. They can probably find the materials on line for free.

My father was a high school drop out in the 1930s and at the age of 55 he taught himself calculus from a college text book he bought off of a used book rack.

Don’t tell me that racism or low education spending on minorities is holding minority students back from getting an education. Inner city teachers in Ohio typically are paid better than rural teachers by substantial amounts. Yet Inner city graduation rates are abysmal in comparison.

Getting an education is more about the efforts of the student than it is the effort of the teachers.

74 posted on 03/21/2014 2:44:27 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: MrB

“When all are held to the same standard, people can trust one another.”

There used to be a time where people used to be held if not to the same same standard at least it was much closer.

Why didn’t that work? And why don’t we do that?

When you answer that question, and ponder all it’s consequences given the realities of human nature, you will come to agree with me.


75 posted on 03/21/2014 2:54:15 PM PDT by aquila48 (tota)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

We have to control the language used in the argument. Rather than saying that working is hard is “acting white”, say that working hard is “acting Nigerian”.


76 posted on 03/21/2014 3:01:11 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks reaganaut1. Not only that, the schools also discriminate against getting an education and self-reliance. Partisan Media Shills ping.


77 posted on 03/21/2014 3:13:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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and let’s not forget...

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/farrockaway/index

...and also, that mayor a.k.a. Bill de Blasio had his polling numbers crater, which is the story from which the Slimes wants to distract its reader(s).


78 posted on 03/21/2014 3:16:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: FredZarguna
Black kids can learn just as well as white kids, all other things being equal. But all those other things have more to do with family situation than anything else. If there is not a father in the house, and the mother is working, who will make the kids do their schoolwork? Even if the mother is on welfare, there is NO excuse for her not to monitor the kids' work. If, however, single black mothers do not support the teachers in making the kids do their work, or don't encourage their kids to do well, then their kids won't work hard, and won't get ahead. The key to learning is a good grasp of reading. Every urban school has a library, and every urban area has a public library. There is no cost in learning to read; it is free for the taking, IF the families think it is important. If black families do not take advantage of all the services offered to them, and their kids do not advance because of it, that is not racism, that is laziness.

The same problems are showing up in poor white families as well, but somehow, no polls are ever done about them.

79 posted on 03/21/2014 3:18:58 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Sergio

Certainly smarter than the young lady from Niger who rode on the back of a tiger (well it would have been a lion, but that doesn’t rhyme)


80 posted on 03/21/2014 4:10:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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