Why the eruption in Kiev could set off a tsunami that will engulf us all...

The London Daily Mail ^ | February 22, 2014 | Mark Almond

[Monterrosa-24]

Lawfully elected government???

One can say that about Hitler too. The fact is Viktor Yanukovych and his thugs stole money by the billions, imprisoned the main opposition leader, and enforced an entire culture of corruption. Even many his powerbase in the Eastern Ukraine turned against the SOB.

[MarMema]

British Russophobia.

[Donnafrflorida]

i am with you. i keep get “Nugged”,
EOM list antibiotics ,seeds, gas and rechargable batteries.
this month pepper spray stick matches lots of canned milk macaroni and soup.

ps i just opened 2012 self canned 2012 beef stew hmm hm good.

22s on orde4 since nov. nada.

[x_plus_one]

Our representative in the White House is representing his fellow moslems in their push to build a competing pipeline to feed Europe. Gazprom is making money and the Moslems want to secure new cash-flows by putting in a pipeline. Russia sees USA hand in hand with the Moslem Brotherhood. We blew up Libya, created an Arab Spring in Egypt and have billions of dollars funneled to Ukraine for democritization. Read about Open Society Foundations OWNED BY SOROS. A non paranoid observer would view this not as east vs west but as Christianity vs moselms. Russia is going through a deep religious revival with evangelicals as the wild card.

[nathanbedford]

The Imperial German war plan, the von Schliefen plan, had to do with the centuries long central European fear of fighting a two front war. The alliance between France and Russia which occurred after the departure of Bismarck, only made those fears in Germany more acute. The French bitterness over there humiliating defeat in the Franco-Prussian war and the loss of Alsace Lorraine led them to a very aggressive diplomatic posture respecting Germany. The Russian bear had always coveted a warm water port on the Black See and was ceaselessly intriguing in the Balkans. The Russian aggressiveness and intrusiveness into the Balkans was rightly regarded by the Habsburgs and the Hohenzollerens as a threat.

Germany knew that it must avoid a prolonged two front war and its war plans were designed to quickly knock out France so it could turn its full might against Russia. That plan narrowly failed but the Germans were not alone in their hope, if not their belief, that a short war was to be expected. Every single major belligerent, France, Austria, and England, believed almost universally that a short war would ensue.

Indeed, there were very few who thought otherwise except a Pole civilian, a businessman, who wrote presciently about the extent and nature of the first world war but generally the heads of state, the diplomats, and for the most part, the generals all believed that the war would be short, won by a preponderance of force brought first to bear.

War guilt for the First World War cannot exclusively be placed on German hands. The Serbs condoned terrorism to achieve their ends of a greater separatist Serbia. The Austrians wanted a quick and brutal war to discipline the Serbs and preserve the Empire. The Germans wanted a place of primacy which their population and economy had earned and, if a war were to be fought with France and Russia, Germany wanted to fight it on its terms. France wanted to avenge 1871, regain Alsace Lorraine, and humiliate Germany. England entered the war ostensibly to rescue beleaguered Belgium but also because it had a centuries old policy of aligning itself against the greatest continental power to preserve a so-called balance of power. England's intervention into the war guaranteed its spread into a world war.

Vladimir Putin should be seen as a reversion to Stalin, Trotsky, Lenin, and, yes, Ivan the Terrible. Ukraine was once part of Poland and even parts of it belonged to Prussia. These quarrels are ancient but the belligerence is now exclusively on one side, Russia. It is not fair to say that all of the guilt for The First World War is exclusively on the side of The Central Powers. I do not mean to intimate that you have placed blame exclusively on the Kaiser, I merely want to state my version.

[867V309]

Everything obammy has done regarding foreign policy has had a negative effect on Christians and Christian values. True for domestic policy too.

[x_plus_one]

The goal is to slowly throttle Christianity, so slowly that there is no pushback. When the religion of Christ is considered a fringe cult, then the constitution can be changed to make Islam the state religion and the next caliphate will start here, in North America.

[goldstategop]

There is not a chance Russia will accept a Ukraine in NATO. That would be a red line. Nor will it accept reprisals against the Russian-speaking east.

But since this is a revolution in Western Ukraine, radicals emboldened by an easy victory have nowhere to stop. And if they don’t stop - tragedy is bound to happen.

And Russia is not Serbia in 1992 and Europe has no interest in becoming entangled in a war with Russia. Russians see the Ukraine as their motherland and they do not like the belligerent voices coming out of Kiev.

But neither the mainstream opposition nor the now deposed Yanukovych government are in charge of the fast-moving events in that country.

[x_plus_one]

Have you noticed all those Christians praying on TV in Kiev at the Euruomaidan Revolution? And there are so many Moslems praying here, in North America and in Europe in our schools and comomunity centers. Sort of a culture war and religious thing, no less.

The black hand serbs that shot the archdue ferdinand were pissed that ferdinand has sold them out to the turks. Ferdinand enjoyed lucrative business interests with the Turks and also used them as a counter balance to control the orthodox serbs.Always the same old story - sell out the Christians for $$$ from moslems. Everyone does it.

The Clintons bombed serbia and reduced the Christian serbs to serfs within their own country. You can bet that the millions of $$ received by the CLinton Foundation are from moslem interests. Corruption at the top has always gone against Christian interests in favor of the Moslems. No one teaches the religious underpinnigs of WW1. But facts are there for all to see.

[mac_truck]

Nice rant.

Worldwide socialism is on the move due in no small part to the interventionist policies of the United States.

[knarf]

I hope you're wrong.

I'm too old and sore to do much fighting, which is the most damnably frustrating feeling I've EVER had in my life, and the phrase, "The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak" has so much more meaning to me today.

We NEED revolution if America's decline is to be stopped.

I'm not so naïve to think America will ever return to Norman Rockwell, but the enemy can be stopped.

(Note to NSA ... I did NOT use the word kill)

[goldstategop]

To the contrary, post-Communist Russia NOT the Soviet Union. The Soviet Communists would have crushed this uprising with an appalling loss of human life and they would have kept Ukraine in the fold at all costs.

Putin is many things but he is not looking for a bloodbath. Instead, he has done everything he could do help a friendly government stay in power and push Ukraine to embrace closer political and economic ties with Russua.

This is now clearly off the table and at the moment there is no point to continued Russian economic aid to Ukraine. Ukraine is free to decide to join the EU if it wants. But its people should be under no illusions they can suckle the teats of two cows at the same time.

Russia will try to nudge the new government in Kiev back in a more responsible direction. But if it doesn’t, it has options to protect its interests - beginning with the Crimea. And Kiev has virtually no influence on what happens there. So things are a good deal more tolerant and civilized in Europe with the overthrow of brutal and oppressive Communism.

But that does not mean Russia is no longer a great power. The West had best remember that geopolitical fact of life for the future.

[867V309]

The goal is to slowly throttle Christianity, so slowly that there is no pushback.

Incrementalism, staple of the left. It worked with Public "Education" (and many other issues) but they may have over-reached with obammydon'tcare. Rush has been talking about liberal incrementalism for years.

[Soul of the South]

George Washington’s farewell address 1796:

“The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.”

[Gen.Blather]

To start a fire you need a flame source, tender, and the right fuel. The assassination of Arch Duke Ferdinand was the flame source only because relatively minor players under the Kaiser wanted it to be. By controlling what information the Kaiser saw and changing or not delivering his instructions it was minor functionaries behind the scenes that made the fire start.

The disturbing parallel here is the incompetent people around our president coupled with his incompetence and magical thinking that may lead us to an armed confrontation with a nuclear superpower. Apparently our ambassador to the Ukraine was in the streets meeting with revolutionaries. Imagine if Russia’s ambassador openly supported the Occupy crowd and suddenly the Occupy crowd had man pads and millions of dollars. We would automatically assume that Russia supplied the money and the weapons. If the ambassador really did that then the ambassador should be brought back to face charges. An ambassador represents the United States and, from a political perspective IS the United States. Although the US might support protesters politically in the US they should never actively meet with dissidents of a “friendly” power on that power’s own soil. An ambassador gathers information about the situation and reports. Anything else exposes the country they represent to retaliation.

[867V309]

The disturbing parallel here is the incompetent people around our president coupled with his incompetence and magical thinking that may lead us to an armed confrontation with a nuclear superpower.

I do not for one second believe the dimwit-in-chief has any authority to initiate war.

[BilLies]

ON TARGET, THE PRESS SETS THE AGENDA, OBAMA SUCKS...correct<<

[Craftmore]

What could happen if we set up supply lines and had a million tea party people camped in washington for months instead of hours,and sang The Star Spangeled Banner every hour?But we wont,we are too comfortable sitting behind our monitors typing instead of doing.

[knarf]

Thank you for the Bush breakdown of accomplishments.

People, and I among them, tend to get caught up in today and easily are led away from what was done yesterday.

[knarf]

I think THAT’S the importance of Ukraine being televised and reported on