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The Disappearance of Hell
ligonier.org ^ | 2/1/14 | John MacArthur

Posted on 02/09/2014 8:05:52 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

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To: DManA
There you go again

There you go again! I'm not your judge...yet you continue to harp on it. It must be your inner wish for man to judge you instead of The Almighty ALL KNOWING according to HIS WORD for HE is The Word.

If there is no hell what did Jesus save mankind from? Heaven? See how ridiculous you appear while claiming Jesus The Word is the author of a myth.

Nor is it rocket science to understand why one who deliberately defies the Words of God would want hell to be a myth.

581 posted on 02/12/2014 4:59:14 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Rennes Templar
Couldn’t do it, could you?

I could post LOTS to you - so far you've stomp on the Word of God with NO knowledge or belief of it and imply God is unfair. Yeah, sure you are a christian LOL!!! while showing your lack of knowledge and belief in the most basic.

"Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’"

582 posted on 02/12/2014 5:07:58 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

First of all, I fully believe in hell, and I believe God will allow people to choose hell, or to not choose faith in Christ for salvation, which is the same result and basically the same thing. God is just and will be shown and known to be just when he does so.

My point is the concept of hell does not make or break whether you have accepted Christ’s offer of salvation. Whather saved from sin or saved from hell, still saved. We are not saved by believing the proper things other than Christ is God and died for our sin.

Whether you believe in hell or not is moot. If it is there, and it is, then those who don’t believe in it or Christ are in peril of finding out later.


583 posted on 02/12/2014 5:10:26 PM PST by Wicket (1 Peter 3:15 , Romans 5:5-8)
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To: presently no screen name

I wasn’t talking to you. I told you I’d give you the last word but you couldn’t stop youself.

You can harp all you want but I won’t deny my God. You could burn me at the stake and I would not. What kind of Christian would goad a fellow Christian to do that?


584 posted on 02/12/2014 5:51:40 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA
I told you I’d give you the last word

You tell me nothing nor do you give me anything. Got it?

but I won’t deny my God.

You deny HIM when you deny HIS WORD and you did.

You could burn me at the stake and I would not

Look at the dramatics while making yourself saint like. LOL!! TRUTH really 'burns' you, I see. In reality, the lack of Truth and denying IT will burn for eternity.

What kind of Christian would goad a fellow Christian to do that?

So telling the Truth is goading to you. And I do NOT consider anyone DELIBERATELY DENYING God's Word a christian; implying God is the author of myths. That comes from the pit of hell and anyone who implies such in anyway serves satan.

Now you are over the limit - you had more than enough warnings.

Titus 3:10 "Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them."

585 posted on 02/12/2014 8:03:14 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Fine. You’ve “warned” me. I You are wrong.


586 posted on 02/12/2014 8:28:12 PM PST by DManA
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To: Wicket
So you think you can pick and choose what to BELIEVE in God's Word? If it's not important to you for salvation, toss it aside while having your list of 'requirements' to be a christian, I see. You sound like a BELIEVER from 'man made teachings' 'religion'.

God is just and will be shown and known to be just when he does so.

And HE will be just to those who spread untruths about HIS Word like saying you don't have to listen to God's Word about i.e. hell as it isn't a requirement'. So what you are saying is God has useless Words. That's damning and from the pit.

My point is the concept of hell does not make or break whether you have accepted Christ’s offer of salvation

I get your point as you make the decision what to believe in HIS Word and tell others, also. Many 'think' they will get in by the skin of their teeth by picking and choosing what to believe as long as they 'THINK' they accepted 'his offer'.

We are not saved by believing the proper things other than Christ is God and died for our sin.

Oh really scholar - so there 'proper things' in HIS WORD than doesn't need to believe - just believe Jesus is God and HE died for you to 'get out of hell free card'. God could have given us one half page as His WORD then. I'm glad you admit God is just..... wonder how long that will last when your times come.

Whether you believe in hell or not is moot. If it is there, and it is,

So BELIEVING Jesus The Word is moot to you, I see. And then 'IF' His Word is true? You are really racking up some score card here. Mind you, I notice you don't say JESUS but use Christ which means anointed one. That's catholicism - the name of JESUS gets stuck in their throat.

then those who don’t believe in it or Christ are in peril of finding out later.

OR Christ? JESUS IS THE WORD and when you don't believe HIS WORD you do NOT BELIEVE HIM. And those who don't believe are in peril? What about those who spread untruths about His Word; yet, say they believe in hell themselves. Do you relish in deceiving those in peril and think you aren't in peril? Satan believes in hell/he knows his destiny and deceives people there is no hell or God's Word is not important, also.

587 posted on 02/12/2014 9:39:11 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: DManA

JESUS warned you with HIS WORD and HE IS NEVER WRONG!!


588 posted on 02/12/2014 9:40:27 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

According to you accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior is not enough to be saved. We disagree.


589 posted on 02/13/2014 6:40:21 AM PST by DManA
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To: presently no screen name

You maybe right.


590 posted on 02/13/2014 8:35:45 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: presently no screen name

The biggest disappointment Christians have is when they die, meet Jesus, and he tells them they have to reincarnate again, they will not be in heaven.

They do earn good merit for their faith, and Jesus will lead them to a situation where they can work off debts from previous lives, rather than just have faith alone.

Hopefully they will make good progress on their souls evolution to freedom from rebirth and reuniting with Christ.


591 posted on 02/13/2014 9:45:59 PM PST by Rennes Templar
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To: DManA; Rennes Templar; Wicket
According to me? Only one that has no Truth in them would say such. IGNORING the Word leaves one uninformed.

Along with being desperate to squeeze into heaven while believing 'man' and that 'all you have to do is......'. So they can hang onto their 'myths', their 'what's moot to be a Christian', their 'critical thinking', etc - all which goes against The Word of God. The 'temporary comfort group' are like low info voters and just vote with no thought of the consequences of that vote.

Here's something for the 'comfort group' which I already posted that 'they looking for comfort' all overlooked - because it's not 'comfort food' and doesn't fit in with deception they so willingly feed on and swallow. And some because they never came up to the caliber of these mentioned below; yet, they were rejected them because they never got to KNOW God. How much more an outcast than those who don't BELIEVE JESUS The WORD and trust their own words/beliefs (worldly/human) over God's Word (supernatural).

Matt 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

According to you accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior is not enough to be saved. We disagree.

Well, then the 'we' are not Christians, so the 'we' won't agree with TRUTH. For they set themselves up as their own gods with their own beliefs so they obviously would be different than JESUS The Word.

So you see when one goes against The Word - they are NOT ACCEPTING JESUS..... for JESUS IS THE WORD.

The 'man made teaching' BELIEVERS are unable to see things clearly for they serve a different master - who is the Deceiver/the Liar. 'Man made teachings' are from the pit and meant to deceive and when this age of grace is over will be burnt up and those who follow those teachings now, follow it into the pit.

592 posted on 02/18/2014 10:56:40 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

I accept Jesus. I don’t accept your interpretation of that he said. Don’t feel bad. Even the Apostles didn’t understand Him right away.


593 posted on 02/18/2014 10:58:30 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA
I accept Jesus. I don’t accept your interpretation of that he said

My interpretation of what HE said?? Open His Word and see for yourself.... what He said about hell and who goes there and who it was originally created for. It is a REAL PLACE and NOT a myth according to your beliefs...who proclaims themselves as a 'god' with their own beliefs.

You accepted deception which defies JESUS The Word. So did Adam/Eve....so what you are doing is nothing new and 'it's history' dates back to it. Their shame is they REFUSE to learn TRUTH. Satan hasn't to do a thing any more as he has his own doing it for him and fighting FOR him and it'a always against JESUS The Word - that they don't understand anyway as they are NOT spiritually discerning for they are a 'worldly crew'. Unless one be born again, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

"The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His Hand."

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth NOT the Son shall NOT see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

JESUS IS The Word. "In the beginning was The Word, and The Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Don’t feel bad. Even the Apostles didn’t understand Him right away.

Is that what your deceptive church told you? Don't feel bad because.........?

The apostles did not understand HIM but PAUL did - as He knew HIM ONLY in the Spirit, as he never met Jesus in the flesh. For the ONLY way we can KNOW God is 'in the Spirit'. And we know from Scripture/God's Word - that Peter was clueless as to WHO JESUS really was as it HAD to be revealed to him by The Father because the HS had not come yet. Since 'man made teaching' believers are not born again, their deceptive church strokes them to 'not feel bad' for they are 'not of the Spirit' but only 'of the flesh'. It works on them because they prefer stroking over TRUTH - deep within them there is a restlessness as they have NO assurance of anything.

It doesn't work on one who is BORN AGAIN/Filled with The Spirit of God - as they have assurance and KNOW Jesus is THE Truth, JESUS is THE Way and JESUS IS ETERNAL LIFE. And NO ONE can pluck them out of The Father's HAND. Safe and secure for ALL eternity!

So those who defy God's Word not only WILL feel bad but ARE BAD. For they have choosen 'man's/evil' words over GOD'S WORD that IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY. They failed to choose wisely and rather than admit their own failure - their pride leads them to point to another. So they fail again. And will continue to fail willingly as they are in a 'deceptive state' and some have been given over to the 'depraved state'.

594 posted on 02/18/2014 2:24:30 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

The Lord told Eve if she ate the fruit she would surely die. The serpent told her no she would not surely died.

The Lord told the truth. The serpent lied.


595 posted on 02/18/2014 2:38:58 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA
You are wrong - like 'man made teaching' believers are always.

The serpent told her no she would not surely died.

The serpent lied.

She did die spiritually and the fall come because she believed 'another' that defied The Word of God

So 'man/evil' lied to you....and you believe it....'that hell is a myth! IN SPITE OF what God says. You have dug your own trap - no one made you believe it....it was your own choice. Same as Adam/Eve....satan deceives and it's easy to see who believes satan/man OVER GOD! We all have the benefit of God's Word now ....there is no excuse but it's clearly a DELIBERATE CHOICE to not BELIEVE JESUS THE WORD.

596 posted on 02/18/2014 6:22:48 PM PST by presently no screen name
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It is my deliberate choice to choose Jesus as my Lord and savior.

It is my deliberate prayerful reading of the Word that leads me to conclude that eternal torture is inconsistent with the loving God.

I reject your interpretation. I embrace my Loving God.


597 posted on 02/18/2014 6:53:39 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA
It is my deliberate choice to choose Jesus as my Lord and savior.

It is your deliberate choice NOT TO Believe JESUS for JESUS IS THE WORD. You can't accept what 'you want' without accepting and believing in your heart what JESUS says and you already shown you don't.

It is my deliberate prayerful reading of the Word that leads me to conclude that eternal torture is inconsistent with the loving God.

First of all, one doesn't conclude to Truth. You believe it. No one can please God without FAITH. Now you, also, did not take as TRUTH - when Jesus said - "So you will find favor and good repute In the sight of God and man. Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your paths straight."

And just another one you failed to believe as TRUTH. "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts are higher than your thoughts."

So thinking you can just say you accept Jesus while you have DELIBERATELY chose NOT to believe HIM doesn't work. No one can have themselves in 'man made teachings and think they found a short cut to 'save themselves' while not believing JESUS. You can only serve ONE master. 'Man-made teaching believers choose 'man/evil' to serve. There is ONLY ONE Way and it is NOT your way through 'your conclusion'.

ETERNAL torture is what 'man' chooses for themselves as they do NOT believe Jesus. See how deception works, you end up with exactly what you didn't want. And that's what catholicsm, mormonism, islam, JW, wicca and all 'religions' /man made teachings do. Their followers are deceived and they CANNOT see they are deceived nor do they want Truth and/or they do not even recognize TRUTH as TRUTH. They fight it constantly because of 'their pride'. And they rebel being told that, also. They make themselves unreachable. God says to tell them once and then tell them, again, and then have no use for them. If someone doesn't recognize TRUTH, they have no heart for Truth.

You can want all you want, but you don't get it 'your way' You do it like everyone does who are saved. You have one master and HE IS JESUS. And you BELIEVE what He says by Faith and DO NOT LEAN on your own understanding which is warped with bad teaching to begin with and a human mind trying to understand the supernatural shows an immense amount of pride which catholicism bathes in...pride. So drop it! One needs to be spiritually discerning and that comes with being filled with The Spirit. It's your choice, not God's for It IS FINISHED. Jesus done everything about salvation 2,000 years ago....the ball is in your court. So HE does NOT send anyone anywhere - it's ones own choice on what they believe and/or don't believe. And deception makes those willing to be deceived, deceived. Anyone who believes 'man' over GOD is easy prey for deception.

t is my deliberate prayerful reading of the Word that leads me to conclude ....

Now tells us 'where did Jesus say to deliberately and prayerfully conclude anything? He said the opposite... 'Just BELIEVE HIM' Your 'deliberate and prayerful' might sound 'religious' to you and it is...and it brought you back to where you started, being deceived with 'your conclusion'.

What part of this did you deliberately overlook? The Lord says, "These people worship me with their mouths and honor me with their lips. But their hearts are far from me, and their worship of me is [based on] rules made by humans."

Jesus said 'hear and obey'. So far you haven't heard/believed what HE said and therefore can't obey it. That's your choice, so deliberate prayer means nothing until you RENEW YOUR MIND to the WORD OF GOD and GOD is ALMIGHTY and admit you know you squat but must LEARN from what HE said. HE knows BEST as to HIS WAY. There are no short cuts but ONE WAY no matter 'what you conclude'. It's not your way - IT IS ALL ABOUT JESUS The Word.

And don't think you can have one foot in man made teachings and one foot in the Word of God and arrive at TRUTH. For Jesus said..... "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other." It's your choice to BELIEVE JESUS, not God's. So NEVER accuse Him of the ways/beliefs/conclusions and sins of man.

598 posted on 02/18/2014 10:24:56 PM PST by presently no screen name
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I believe the truth. The truth is no human soul suffers torture for all eternity. That is a lie right from Satan NOT JESUS.


599 posted on 02/19/2014 5:22:36 AM PST by DManA
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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread848345/pg1


600 posted on 02/19/2014 3:38:41 PM PST by Rennes Templar
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