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Obama administration relaxes rules of health-care law four days before deadline
Washington Post ^ | 12/19/13 | Amy Goldstein

Posted on 12/19/2013 6:44:10 PM PST by SoFloFreeper

The Obama administration Thursday night significantly relaxed the rules of the health-care law for millions of consumers whose individual insurance policies have been canceled, saying they could buy bare-bones health plans or entirely avoid the requirement that most Americans have health insurance.

The surprise announcement, four days before the Dec. 23 deadline for people to choose coverage that begins on Jan. 1, triggered an immediate backlash from the health insurance industry and raised new fairness questions about a law intended to promote affordable and comprehensive coverage.

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To: reformed_democrat

RE: Impeachment. Two problems with that:
1.) Senate would have to convict, and it won’t.
2.) Joe Biden as president.

Other than that, I’m all for it.


True that. Maybe they can just lock him in jail and forget he’s there.

Joe Biden acts like someone’s drunken, perverted uncle that they lock in the attic and it’s sad that I even stop to wonder which would be worse.


51 posted on 12/19/2013 8:40:40 PM PST by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Out of 40 houses on our street 5 are decorated for Christmas. The spirit is about dead. A simple, hard working, decent woman told me today, “We never have known what the future would bring but now we are pretty sure whatever it is will be bad.”

Pointless, to comment, protest or anything.

What difference does it make? I’ve been cancelled, reinstated, revised, cancelled again, new insurance issued since October and mis-billed and rebilled three times this month already.

I’ve written checks for over $5,000 this month since I pay every invoice BCBS sends as soon as I get it out of fear some excuse will drop my coverage and I’ll need it for some emergency. I figure it will eventually sort out and I’ll get proper credit but who knows? BCBS doesn’t want to do this, at least the people there don’t but everything is so messed up their systems are bedlam.

I wonder how people who can’t do what I’ve done can possibly manage?

We are bleeding to death and nobody hears us or cares or can do anything to stop the hemorrhage.


52 posted on 12/19/2013 8:41:23 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: Paladin2

yes that definitely makes sense. You hit the nail on the head. What was needed is to keep all the dems in line and some sort of hidden deal had to be worked out

Unlike some around here I am not convinced ObamaCare will be as much a disaster for the dems in 2014 as some say. It has affected Obama’s approval ratings but Obama is not running in 2014. Dems will lie and distance themselves. Obama will clean up the website over time. Obama will use fascist tactics to force insurance companies to ease the pain some. So dems and Obama still have months to jerk us around before the elections and we have no one except for a few Republicans even fighting.

To me it is amazing that people are not lined up outside the WH with pitchforks given how bad this bas been. The people are not happy as shown in polls but yet they are taking it like the well-indoctrinated sheep they are (many of them anyway).


53 posted on 12/19/2013 8:43:18 PM PST by plain talk
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To: SoFloFreeper

So Mr Change the law on a dime Obama now “relaxes” the law..........so what does that due to those that signed up (trying to obey the law) will their premiums go up?????????????


54 posted on 12/19/2013 8:45:18 PM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: SoFloFreeper
there are NO LAWS ... just exemptions for favored members of society and enforcement of laws by deadly force on any of us that is not of the protected class, protected union or protected national democrat peoples party.

we are now slaves and proles

55 posted on 12/19/2013 8:53:34 PM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

In the beginning there was the word, and the word changed.


56 posted on 12/19/2013 9:10:47 PM PST by kabar
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To: azishot

The rule change was issued in a bulletin from the Department of Health and Human Services.


57 posted on 12/19/2013 9:12:10 PM PST by kabar
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To: SoFloFreeper

It’s easy for the health care industry, simply don’t follow the law and force the government to sue them, it will drag out for years in the courts and with our current supreme court I’m confident we will win, they may be alot of things but giving the government the ability to make up law as they go along, well I just don’t see that yet.


58 posted on 12/19/2013 9:13:21 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: okie01

“And what will it be tomorrow?”

Well, on the bright side, he may keep changing the law until there is no law.


59 posted on 12/19/2013 9:17:43 PM PST by Rennes Templar (If you like your disease, you can keep it.)
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To: Sequoyah101

Very sad, isn’t it? Many people have never felt this helpless in their lives before. A feeling of helplessness often leads to increased chronic and acute illnesses. I’m thinking of some poor lab rats I saw in a psychology experiment running on a treadmill and getting shocked at random times. Although the shocks were relatively small and non-injurious in themselves they devastated the poor little guys over time.

On the Christmas decorations, we have fewer here also but I can’t tell if it was the unusually cold weather or general apathy and despair that kept them from getting the ladders out. I put up only some small things because of the cold. However, there are a couple of people on our street who put lights up this year who never had them before. So I don’t know.


60 posted on 12/19/2013 9:28:18 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Sequoyah101; cyn; Yehuda; 444Flyer; left that other site; onyx
Out of 40 houses on our street 5 are decorated for Christmas. The spirit is about dead. A simple, hard working, decent woman told me today, “We never have known what the future would bring but now we are pretty sure whatever it is will be bad.”

Obama has changed the times and the law.

Dan 7.25. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the holy ones of the most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times and half a time:

Pointless, to comment, protest or anything.

What difference does it make? I’ve been cancelled, reinstated, revised, cancelled again, new insurance issued since October and mis-billed and rebilled three times this month already.

Dan 7.25. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the holy ones of the most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times and half a time:

Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

61 posted on 12/19/2013 9:34:05 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: steve86

It is not cold in SE Texas so that is not the reason here. My wife went to Hobby Lobby today and said she was shocked at how well stocked they still were.

Yes, it is sad. The lady I reference has worked for us for a long time. All I could do was hug her and tell her she was not alone in her despair of the situation.

Another young woman who works for my sis is thrilled to have a part time job that she can make $500 or $600 a week on. That is for she and her son! The lady is a LPN, laid off because the hospital has braced for obamacare. My sis says that many times in the last year she came by or called to ask if there was any work because she didn’t have money for food. My sis hired her for a $100 here and there as much as she could. I’m sitting her writing this sick at my stomach and tears streaming down my cheeks. It just makes me so damn sad and mad and scared for us all.

These people aren’t looking for handouts. They could get them but just want help not dependency to give up all their dignity.

Yes, stress kills and kills the spirit and the impact is cumulative. I don’t see us as much better off than lab rats.

You seem like a good person from the sentiment you express. Bless you and yours. I pray every night since I was a child. Sometimes I fall asleep with my prayers. Tonight will be one when I hit my knees for prayers. I’m at one of those times where I’m having doubts God is hearing me or any of our pleas. I’m going to go give it a try again.


62 posted on 12/19/2013 10:08:18 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: steve86

Just one more thing / thought to share.

I think we are worse off than prisoners. Even prisoners of war. Both know there is either and end to the sentence or an end to the war.

I see no end to this. It may end someday but we have no idea when.

Ever hear of the Stockdale Paradox? This was a brilliant man and truly a hero possessing an enduring and unbeatable spirit. I am going to pray for some of this kind of faith.

In a business book by James C. Collins called Good to Great, Collins writes about a conversation he had with Stockdale regarding his coping strategy during his period in the Vietnamese POW camp.[11]

I never lost faith in the end of the story, I never doubted not only that I would get out, but also that I would prevail in the end and turn the experience into the defining event of my life, which, in retrospect, I would not trade.”[12]

When Collins asked who didn’t make it out of Vietnam, Stockdale replied:

Oh, that’s easy, the optimists. Oh, they were the ones who said, ‘We’re going to be out by Christmas.’ And Christmas would come, and Christmas would go. Then they’d say, ‘We’re going to be out by Easter.’ And Easter would come, and Easter would go. And then Thanksgiving, and then it would be Christmas again. And they died of a broken heart.”[12]

Stockdale then added:

This is a very important lesson. You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be.”[12]


63 posted on 12/19/2013 10:26:31 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: SoFloFreeper
The Obama administration Thursday night significantly relaxed the rules of the health-care law for millions of consumers whose individual insurance policies have been canceled, saying they could buy bare-bones health plans...

How can they do that, when bare-bones plans have all been cancelled since they're not in compliance with Obamacare? They don't exist anymore!

64 posted on 12/19/2013 10:29:25 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (Democrats are Cruz'n for a Bruisin' in 2016. / Obama=Unspeakable Audacity)
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To: Sequoyah101

Right after Thanksgiving — prime Christmas decorating season — it was in the teens and then went downhill from there. My fingers just don’t work very well in those temps gloved or not. A little warmer now but seems too late to bother.

No, I am not a particularly good person but do pray throughout the day — and during the night when I can’t sleep. For the last couple of months I’ve added prayers specifically requesting relief for those adversely affected by Obamacare — whether it be an interruption in treatment or just heightened anxiety at the whole thing. I happen to know that the anxiolytic (anti-anxiety) prescriptions at a psych. clinic near here are running fast and furious lately.

We are fortunate — even though I haven’t been able to work since ‘99 — by getting numerous “breaks” in life I mainly attribute to the prayer. Even the O’care thing is not turning out badly for us (until the whole thing collapses). So God most certainly does listen and He grants those petitions that are in line with His will. Don’t ever stop praying! I know what you mean by the doubts and feeling forgotten times but we are told to expect those!

Hope things turn out OK for you and yours!


65 posted on 12/19/2013 10:42:50 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: nascarnation

LOL!


66 posted on 12/19/2013 11:29:27 PM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

steam rolled insurers. didn’t they know it was always about votes and power and not the well being of the voters?


67 posted on 12/20/2013 12:23:05 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: nascarnation

Natasha and Malaria


68 posted on 12/20/2013 12:27:52 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I was very distressed to read in the NY Times today, in an op-ed by Ishmael Reed, that last month the president, at an event in San Francisco, responded to a heckler who wanted him to be more aggressive on legislative issues, by saying, “A lot of people have been saying this lately on every problem. Just sign an executive order and we can do everything.”

Pause to take a breath now, and listen to Mr. Reed’s next sentence:

“The Constitution tells him to do otherwise.”

Mr. Reed then moves on to another subject.

AS IF OBAMA ALWAYS DOES WHAT THE CONSTITUTION TELLS HIM TO DO! He leaves the ignorant Times readers with the erroneous impression that they have a Constitution-obeying president!

You have to actually read this paper to believe the lengths that they will go to in order to deceive their readers.

I hope certain people who read this rag every day, and never take the slightest peek at the truth-stream media, get a clue sometime.


69 posted on 12/20/2013 1:00:03 AM PST by firebrand
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To: Jack Hammer

Nope, the employer mandate makes it a lot more likely bots will be doing the fast food jobs in future.

They will probably go in to academia instead, like all the other useless idiots.


70 posted on 12/20/2013 1:06:04 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Obama has just made a shrewd political move that cuts the legs off the GOPe victory plan in 2014.

The reason that Boehner and McConnell have egg on their faces right now is that their game plan was to be the champions of lower cost health care.

They intended to berate Obama over Obamacare’s requirement that everybody had to buy health insurance at jacked up prices.

The Republicans were going to push the notion of an interstate marketplace instead of in state marketplaces to lower the cost of the mandatory higher priced health plans.

By dropping the requirement to buy higher priced insurance for now, Obama has undercut the GOP and positioned himself as the champion of lower cost health insurance than the Republicans.

This is pure Clinton and no doubt Bill or Hill do have a big
stake in this considering their future plans. I wonder if Obama was given this idea by Bill himself.


71 posted on 12/20/2013 1:08:39 AM PST by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: wiggen

Obama just shafted a lot of campaign contributors, at least for the moment.


72 posted on 12/20/2013 1:09:50 AM PST by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: leapfrog0202
Biden had stroke brain surgery...he shouldn't be in any position of authority.
73 posted on 12/20/2013 1:24:14 AM PST by itssme
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To: plain talk
Folks it seems are waiting for someone else to make the first move..they just sit about and WAIT. Docile people, making no noise, no demands, no marching in person to the offices of their local politicians and loudly DEMANDING they do something about the highjacking of this country from our Constitution, Liberty and Freedom to socialism/communism/marxism. Get out of your comfort zone..join up with others, hello Tea Party?, and make some noise and show some passion and anger and make your presence and anger felt...DO SOMETHING, don't sit around like docile sheep. es, Yes, we're in a depressive funk about the state of this country, BUT, we face facts, shake the blues, and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
74 posted on 12/20/2013 1:34:24 AM PST by itssme
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To: SoFloFreeper
And where are the congressional Tyrants who look after the sheep?

In bed with their Lobbyist fast asleep.

All three branches of our government are corrupt and paid off. They refuse to honor Constitution or their Oaths of office. They have no honor. None whatsoever. GODless leaders taking us on a GODless path as a nation.

75 posted on 12/20/2013 1:56:31 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Sequoyah101

prayers up for you, fellow saint.

He hears you. Pray in the Spirit, let the Spirit groan for what you need, and let the Intercessor Jesus plead your case, as Paul describes in Romans 8.

This is not the end; He will deliver us.


76 posted on 12/20/2013 2:15:44 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Fascism, yes. It also shows absolute desperation because the law is crashing and burning right before their eyes.


77 posted on 12/20/2013 2:29:28 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: SoFloFreeper

Apparently, the only path that might stop him is impeachment.

Regardless of the assumed fact that the Senate will not convict, the House still has the responsibility of impeaching him.

The House should impeach. Tell them to do their jobs: IMPEACH


78 posted on 12/20/2013 3:16:43 AM PST by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This is one reason Sebelius has not been canned. A new secretary may change any and all of the “The secretary shall....” regs.

Indeed that will be the fastest,easiest way to put a stop to it. Use the inherent power of the secretary to starve it.


79 posted on 12/20/2013 3:25:37 AM PST by Principled
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To: SoFloFreeper

It’s the REALITY of implementing the bill.

Democrats would bother ‘fixing’ it if it were just Republican constituents complaining.

Speaker Boehner gave Democrats 2 yrs worth of fixing in the budget bill.


80 posted on 12/20/2013 3:32:43 AM PST by Son House (Democrats want you to use 'Great Recession' instead of 'Jobless Recovery', recession ended June 2009)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“It’s the law of the land” as determined by the Kremlin. If you disagree with the Kremlin you will be sent to Siberia along with the other racists.


81 posted on 12/20/2013 3:44:57 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: reformed_democrat

I’d take Clueless Joe over the Communist we have now.


82 posted on 12/20/2013 4:34:40 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Nextrush
Nothing has changed, the fact remains no one wants Obamacare!

They can't sell it because it because they don't understand the law of marginal utility, people allocate resources based on need and then want.

Obamacare is too high priced for the young to change their priorities and buy it instead of something else they want more.

If they aren't giving it away, it is going to fail.

83 posted on 12/20/2013 4:50:48 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: itssme

The only thing that needs to be done is not buy it!


84 posted on 12/20/2013 4:52:25 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Does anybody know if Congress GAVE Obama the power to change this law on a whim?

Since nobody read it, I just would like to know if that provision is in there.

Did Congress abdicate their power to the Preezy?


85 posted on 12/20/2013 5:07:44 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Sequoyah101
Out of 40 houses on our street 5 are decorated for Christmas. The spirit is about dead. A simple, hard working, decent woman told me today, “We never have known what the future would bring but now we are pretty sure whatever it is will be bad.”

I feel much the same; tired of the daily dose of government BS as they continuously interfere with and upset out lives. No predictability. No hope. No standard. No rule of law. Rule by daily whim and based on political pull.

Remember the 80s? Remember when the future looked bright? Remember women with big hair? God, I miss those days.

86 posted on 12/20/2013 5:28:56 AM PST by Flick Lives (Got a problem with the government? Have a complaint. Get a free IRS audit!)
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To: Venturer

“Democrats could see the tar and feather buckets on the way to Capitol Hill.”

Your going to have to put the Republicans in there as
well. They are just as responsible. After all they are part
of the democrat party now. All their opposition was fake
just to get elected which makes them just as big a liars
as Obama. There are exceptions but only a few.


87 posted on 12/20/2013 5:30:36 AM PST by Slambat
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To: SoFloFreeper
More fiat law-making by the executive branch. Amazing.

What truly is AMAZING is the Congress - which the framers put in charge of mischief oversight of Article 2 - does nothing, absolutely nothing, but hold hearings. NOTHING.

Americans understand all too well that the FED GOV is broken beyond repair, and IMHO that is why they have not risen up in numbers. Wait until America's 21st century king comes for their guns..........
88 posted on 12/20/2013 5:55:14 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The one thing to take from this new “rule relaxation” is that it may have just opened the door for the Tax Lawsuits that the Roberts decision set up.

The SCOTUS decision clearly stated that the Individual Mandate was a TAX! Well by exempting a select portion of citizens (those whose insurance was cancelled) HHS and Obama have just opened the entire barn, not just the door, for UNEQUAL REPRESENTATION and TAXATION lawsuits.

With this one little rule change Obama may have just doomed his own signature legislation.


89 posted on 12/20/2013 6:16:58 AM PST by commish (The takers rule. Time to implement the triple G plan - GOD, GUNS, & GOLD)
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To: A CA Guy

Exactly!

One can’t get through the website...

One can’t trust the navigator with your info...

And the insurance companies had/have extinguished these types of policies.


90 posted on 12/20/2013 6:30:45 AM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Either the law applies equally to everyone or scrap the POS.

Let the lawsuits begin.


91 posted on 12/20/2013 6:37:05 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: La Lydia
Are they lying about both situations?

His lips are moving>

92 posted on 12/20/2013 7:14:30 AM PST by cpdiii
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To: plain talk
The PP & ACA law itself tops 2300 pages. So far, there are more than 20,000 pages of regulations.

My private policy bc/bs (not obamacare) sends me a small booklet every year explaining my policy. It is not written in govementese but plain English. I can understand it. They also include any changes etc.

93 posted on 12/20/2013 7:19:38 AM PST by cpdiii
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To: hattend

re: Did Congress give Obama power to change this law on a whim?

Don’t quote me here — but as I remember the Law gives the Secretary of HHS complete power to make changes in the law.
Perhaps it is written as “changes in procedures” - don’t know. I remember reading that a few months back and amazed at the time of the power given to HHS.

Anyone know about that?


94 posted on 12/20/2013 7:22:43 AM PST by bunster
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To: fortheDeclaration; itssme

“The only thing that needs to be done is not buy it!”
bears repeating!
the way to win this game is to not play


95 posted on 12/20/2013 7:42:32 AM PST by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: nascarnation

BWAHAHAHAHA!


96 posted on 12/20/2013 8:09:45 AM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: rbg81
Obama through the Health Care industry stooges under the bus? Imagine my complete lack of surprise.

Those who dance with the devil get burnt.

97 posted on 12/20/2013 8:21:58 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: SoFloFreeper
I guess that ‘pajamaboy” ad wasn't as effective as they hoped.
98 posted on 12/20/2013 8:38:41 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
If they aren't giving it away, it is going to fail.

Yep. All those who supported it thought someone else was going to be paying for it. They were shocked when they found out they were those "other people.".

Every election the democrats have to give something away using other peoples money. Otherwise, the freeloaders won't bother to get out of bed to vote. This time, they thought they were getting free health care. They fell for the biggest political lie of the decade - but it worked for the demnocrat politicians. That's all that mattered (because the end justifies the means).

99 posted on 12/20/2013 8:41:37 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: SoFloFreeper
Have we become so constitutionally illiterate that America's citizens no longer understand there is no fix for tyranny?

"Although all men are born free, slavery has been the general lot of the human race. Ignorant—they have been cheated; asleep—they have been surprised; divided—the yoke has been forced upon them. But what is the lesson? ... the people ought to be enlightened, to be awakened, to be united, that after establishing a government, they should watch over it ... It is universally admitted that a well-instructed people alone can be permanently free."

So-called "progressives" understand the "divided" part of Madison's cautionary words, but the rest of us seem to ignore the rest of Madison's statement.

Might it have something to do with our not having been "well-instructed" in the ideas of freedom?

Edmund Burke, in his 1775 "Speech on Conciliation," observed the following "spirit" in the founding generations:

"Permit me, Sir, to add another circumstance in our colonies, which contributes no mean part towards the growth and effect of this untractable spirit. I mean their education. In no country perhaps in the world is the law so general a study. The profession itself is numerous and powerful; and in most provinces it takes the lead. The greater number of the deputies sent to the congress were lawyers. But all who read, and most do read, endeavour to obtain some smattering in that science. I have been told by an eminent bookseller, that in no branch of his business, after tracts of popular devotion, were so many books as those on the law exported to the plantations. The colonists have now fallen into the way of printing them for their own use. I hear that they have sold nearly as many of Blackstone's Commentaries in America as in England. General Gage marks out this disposition very particularly in a letter on your table. He states, that all the people in his government are lawyers, or smatterers in law; and that in Boston they have been enabled, by successful chicane, wholly to evade many parts of one of your capital penal constitutions. The smartness of debate will say, that this knowledge ought to teach them more clearly the rights of legislature, their obligations to obedience, and the penalties of rebellion. All this is mighty well. But my honourable and learned friend on the floor, who condescends to mark what I say for animadversion, will disdain that ground. He has heard, as well as I, that when great honours and great emoluments do not win over this knowledge to the service of the state, it is a formidable adversary to government. If the spirit be not tamed and broken by these happy methods, it is stubborn and litigious. Abeunt studia in mores. This study renders men acute, inquisitive, dexterous, prompt in attack, ready in defence, full of resources. In other countries, the people, more simple, and of a less mercurial cast, judge of an ill principle in government only by an actual grievance; here they anticipate the evil, and judge of the pressure of the grievance by the badness of the principle. They augur misgovernment at a distance; and snuff the approach of tyranny in every tainted breeze." (Underlining added for emphasis)

Burke also declared to the Parliament that what he called the colonists' "fierce spirit of liberty" also must be attributed to their "religion," "under a variety of denominations agreeing in nothing but in the communion of the spirit of liberty."

100 posted on 12/20/2013 8:43:22 AM PST by loveliberty2
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