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Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing
reason.com ^ | 11/21/2013 | Scott Shackford

Posted on 11/25/2013 5:08:12 AM PST by Orangedog

Norman Gurley, 30, is facing drug-related charges in Lorain County, Ohio, despite the fact that state troopers did not actually find any drugs in his possession.

Ohio passed a law in 2012 making it a felony to alter a vehicle to add a secret compartment with the “intent” of using it to conceal drugs for trafficking.

Gurley is the first actual person arrested under the law. WKYC in Northeast Ohio covered the arrest, with no notable journalistic skepticism whatsoever:

They pulled over the driver for speeding, but then troopers noticed several wires running to the back of the car.

Those wires then led them directly to a hidden compartment.

Around 5 p.m. on Tuesday state troopers made the arrest under the law, which is meant to combat criminals who modify the inside of their car, allowing them to store drugs or weapons inside secret compartments, which can often only be accessed electronically.

They just noticed some wires, did they? Just while in the process of handing Gurley a speeding ticket, they noticed the wires?

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KEYWORDS: leooutofcontrol; secretcompartment
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To: FAA

Reminds me of the good old days of the Soviet Empire. Secret hiding places for anyhthign they could smuggle, like people, books, food, and money. Anyway, this is whatg happens in a society that has lost its reallity.


51 posted on 11/25/2013 7:03:20 AM PST by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

“A spare tire is considered prepping (hoarding). “

The spare tire itself is a secret compartment.

So is the oil pan. So is behind the door panels. So is inside the seat upholstery. So is inside one of my electric car batteries.

We are bad.


52 posted on 11/25/2013 7:05:10 AM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Fresh Wind
I had a municipal water guy look for the shutoff valve under my front yard one time. He couldn’t find it visually, then got out his divining rod, and swore it would work. Eventually, he got serious and pulled out the metal detector.

Now, that story I believe.
53 posted on 11/25/2013 7:08:29 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: jaydubya2

The cops don’t have to know, that’s the proscutions job. They could decide to drop the case, or proceed to trial on no other evidence what so ever.


54 posted on 11/25/2013 7:08:47 AM PST by Almondjoy
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To: SouthParkRepublican

This is why I will not convict in a drunk driving case if I am called for jury duty. I will only convict if there is a accident. The story you stated just leads to more drunk drivers on the road.

To me it is just another way to fatten up the government coffers while not doing anything productive.


55 posted on 11/25/2013 7:21:57 AM PST by jimpick
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To: The Antiyuppie
"If you could bring this story through a time machine to 1970, a reader of 1970 would assume that we had lost World War III to the communists."

We have..!! Joe MaCarthy tried to warn us but we were stupid to listen..!!!

56 posted on 11/25/2013 7:29:00 AM PST by unread
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To: Orangedog

Horrors! Wires leading to a secret compartment with intent to... install a really big subwoofer??


57 posted on 11/25/2013 7:33:01 AM PST by alancarp
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To: muir_redwoods
Apparently there is a law on the books in some states that makes it a crime to obscure the make of your car.

Rut roh: there's more than a few of these guys that will be in trouble, then:


58 posted on 11/25/2013 7:36:52 AM PST by alancarp
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To: tacticalogic

Same group doesn’t like vaccines and believes cave men rode dinosaurs like in the Flintstones.


59 posted on 11/25/2013 7:47:11 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: MrEdd

Yes, and it’s become so hard pointing out rights destroying excesses from your drug war. (/sarcasm)


60 posted on 11/25/2013 7:49:32 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: JimRed
Gee, silly me; here I thought that THEY had to PROVE YOU guilty!

That is soooo pre drug war.

61 posted on 11/25/2013 7:56:15 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: jimpick
I'm just amazed that the cops could care less about the fact that my friend was trying to do the"responsible" thing and the fact that I could document it with our text conversation.

BTW. Before I was tested the cop asked me why I seemed so nervous. I asked him to explain. He said "Well, you're shaking a bit".

I had to explain to him that I rolled out of bed, threw on jeans and hopped in my truck. I was in the white t shirt that I wore to bed and it was about 25 degrees out. I was shivering.

Guess being prone to the laws of thermodynamics makes one suspicious these days.

I felt like I was in Nazi Germany.

62 posted on 11/25/2013 8:28:36 AM PST by SouthParkRepublican
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To: Orangedog

“Civil forfeiture laws represent one of the most serious assaults on private property rights in the nation today. Under civil forfeiture, police and prosecutors can seize your car or other property, sell it and use the proceeds to fund agency budgets—all without so much as charging you with a crime...with civil forfeiture, owners need not be charged with or convicted of a crime to lose homes, cars, cash or other property.”
Bears repeating.....


63 posted on 11/25/2013 9:36:56 AM PST by griswold3 (Post-Christian America is living on borrowed moral heritage)
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To: Orangedog

There is one fact missing from most of the stories about this incident. It is peripheral to the discussion of how we make laws to punish the possibility of crime, rather than only punishing crime, but explains what happened here.

“The giveaway this time? Troopers noticed an overwhelming smell of raw marijuana which gave them probable cause to search the car.”

So, the officers pulled him over for a traffic offense, and smelled raw marijuana, a smell that suggested the man was carrying drugs. That is how they were able to search his car, and find the wires. The wires went to a section of the car that could not be opened without sending some electronic signal down the wires.

Apparently, these types of trap storage units are rigged to open if you do a set of innocous things, like “turn on the lights, hit the left blinker, turn off the lights, turn on right blinker”.

(I know it sounds funny, but the car computers are built to do funny things like this and you can tap into them — for example, to turn off my car’s internal backup beeper, I have to do a series of steps which include holding the brakes and turning the key and hitting the “odo” button. For some other function I had to open and close the car door).

Anyway, there was a reason to suspect the guy transported drugs, which then let them claim the intent for the trap was drug trafficking. Now it will go to court and a jury will have to decide if they can prove that was the intent.

My guess is they will go over the compartment carefully to see if they can find any trace drug evidence, or they will now investigate the guy to see if they can tie him to drug purchases.


64 posted on 11/25/2013 9:56:43 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: wally_bert

***I wished AMC Jeep would have kept the passenger side under seat storage compartment that Willlys and AMC models had until 76.***

That is what mine had, in the floor. Under the driver’s seat was a second gas tank.


65 posted on 11/25/2013 10:12:00 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: alancarp

Yeah, I guess if the JBT wants to be a pr!ck


66 posted on 11/25/2013 10:16:06 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: FAA
What if the compartment was for hiding his porn stash from his girlfriend? Or, his beer from his freeloading friends?

Or how about a multi-disc CD player, which could explain wires?

67 posted on 11/25/2013 10:18:41 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Orangedog
Exerpt posted here because posting HTML tags on a phone is a PITA.

For future reference, HTML is not required when posting an article.

68 posted on 11/25/2013 10:38:19 AM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment. [Ludwig Von Mises])
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To: Orangedog

Prosecution by persecution.

Prosecutors and police have no check or ballance.


69 posted on 11/25/2013 10:40:43 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Anyway, there was a reason to suspect the guy transported drugs, which then let them claim the intent for the trap was drug trafficking. Now it will go to court and a jury will have to decide if they can prove that was the intent.

I don't live close enough and I never get called for jury duty but if I ever do I'll hang hang the jury of any case like this. If a prosecutor can't present an actual, individual victim for any charge they're getting a not guilty out of me. Mostly because victimless crimes are mostly bulls***, and because cops lie. "Strong smell..."? No, more like they ran his ID, knew he had priors and needed to cook a reason to search.

70 posted on 11/25/2013 11:26:28 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: wintertime

That’s akin to Conservative blasphemy to some around here. Though they note the Fed side MAY be Unconstitutional (some/most of the time it suits THEM just fine), they don’t have a problem with the State doing the same...or worse (or willfully ignore the totalitarianism @ the State level)


71 posted on 11/25/2013 11:40:02 AM PST by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I’ve never seen dual tank setup in a jeep.

My Willys has the factory under seat one that some people nickname the driver’s seat an ejection seat. I wouldn’t want to try that ride.


72 posted on 11/25/2013 11:46:00 AM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: Orangedog
Here's the "money quote":

As for the car itself, the Institute for Justice’s 2010 “Policing for Profit” report calculated that law enforcement officials in the state have collected more than $80 million in shared proceeds from asset forfeiture funds. Oh, and the hidden compartment law exempts vehicles being operated by law enforcement officers, so if state troopers can come up with an excuse to use the ride they just grabbed, they may be able to keep it for themselves.

73 posted on 11/25/2013 12:18:44 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: Tenacious 1
What about the concealed gun safe I keep in my truck? Would that be considered illegal under this “law”?

Yeah; we'd better all take those magnetic key holders out from under our bumpers. No fair hiding keys under flowerpots, either. In fact, possession of a combination lock on the way to the gym? Potential drug hiding. The possibilities for creative law enforcement are endless.

74 posted on 11/25/2013 12:24:09 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: tacticalogic
we're getting to the point where we can no longer assume contraband means drugs. It could be cigarettes, light bulbs, ammunition, or laundry detergent.

Can't have phosphates in the wash detergent in Maryland. Might hurt the Bay. In fact, our permanent Democrat majority now wants to tax the amount of rainfall on the square footage of your property.

75 posted on 11/25/2013 12:27:35 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Well in my state the cops would do about 5 illegal anal probes and a surgery to discover no drugs.

New Mexico, right?

76 posted on 11/25/2013 12:29:41 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

ping to post 42


77 posted on 11/25/2013 12:31:18 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: Orangedog

I wonder what these people would say about how NASCAR was founded.


78 posted on 11/25/2013 12:33:09 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: SouthParkRepublican

“BTW. Before I was tested the cop asked me why I seemed so nervous. I asked him to explain. He said “Well, you’re shaking a bit”.”

THis is cop technique —

They ask you all kinds of these questions. You just get deeper.

Ques like: Do you have anything in your car I should know about?


79 posted on 11/25/2013 12:51:19 PM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Orangedog

What the cops didn’t realize was, he was smuggling the car.


80 posted on 11/25/2013 12:59:53 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Yes.


81 posted on 11/25/2013 12:59:54 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: Orangedog

>> Come on drug warriors and big government types.

a.k.a. statists.


82 posted on 11/25/2013 1:03:46 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: wally_bert; ZX12R

Divining rods work. Do not knock it if you have never tried it.

It is a strange sensation to feel it twitch slightly in your hands. The rod can find water whether it is in a pipe or an underground stream or well source.


83 posted on 11/25/2013 1:33:54 PM PST by TheOldLady
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Most of them are too young and too undereducated to know about the moonshiners and rum runners, Colonel.

BTW, Hi, sweetie!


84 posted on 11/25/2013 1:48:23 PM PST by TheOldLady
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To: TheOldLady

Hello, dear lady! How have you been?

Thank you for the greeting :) I hope all is well with you and yours!


85 posted on 11/25/2013 1:50:27 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: TheOldLady

Two wires works as well...
and the ability to do it appears to be genetic.


86 posted on 11/25/2013 1:52:41 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Things are going well. We’re keeping warm. It never got over freezing here today, but if the sun shines, it helps to warm the house because we have some large windows on the south side.

Bryan is doing all right as well. He’s out in the garage switching the John Deere to the snow thrower from the mowing deck.

The blue air is seeping in around the door, and I may wander out there with a nice, hot cup of tea for him soon.

I hope that you and your family are also well, and Happy Thanksgiving!


87 posted on 11/25/2013 3:46:58 PM PST by TheOldLady
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To: MrB

Genetic? Truly? Wow. No one in my family ever even mentioned it.

I guess they didn’t know that they could. I just tried it one day, and I felt the little twitch. I was amazed.

I can do it with a thin forked branch, but I have never tried it with wires.

Thank you, sir, for that information.


88 posted on 11/25/2013 3:52:09 PM PST by TheOldLady
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To: Colonel_Flagg

It may induce the kind of cognitive dissonance that many have when they see pictures of good little American boys and girls in the 1920s and 30s giving the Hitler salute while reciting the pledge of allegiance.


89 posted on 11/25/2013 5:13:26 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Cyber Liberty

I’m almost surprised they didn’t sodalite the guy trying to find the imaginary drugs.


90 posted on 11/25/2013 5:17:39 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: TheOldLady

In my family, it comes down from my dad’s side.
He showed me how to do it with the wires, and it worked!

Now, I’ve polled my family, and my siblings and their/my kids can all do it (so far), but none of their spouses.


91 posted on 11/26/2013 5:28:20 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

That’s fascinating, Sir.

I never had children, and my family, but for one sister, has passed away.

I’ll never know where I got it or whether I could have given it to my kids.


92 posted on 11/26/2013 7:31:26 AM PST by TheOldLady
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