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Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing
reason.com ^ | 11/21/2013 | Scott Shackford

Posted on 11/25/2013 5:08:12 AM PST by Orangedog

Norman Gurley, 30, is facing drug-related charges in Lorain County, Ohio, despite the fact that state troopers did not actually find any drugs in his possession.

Ohio passed a law in 2012 making it a felony to alter a vehicle to add a secret compartment with the “intent” of using it to conceal drugs for trafficking.

Gurley is the first actual person arrested under the law. WKYC in Northeast Ohio covered the arrest, with no notable journalistic skepticism whatsoever:

They pulled over the driver for speeding, but then troopers noticed several wires running to the back of the car.

Those wires then led them directly to a hidden compartment.

Around 5 p.m. on Tuesday state troopers made the arrest under the law, which is meant to combat criminals who modify the inside of their car, allowing them to store drugs or weapons inside secret compartments, which can often only be accessed electronically.

They just noticed some wires, did they? Just while in the process of handing Gurley a speeding ticket, they noticed the wires?

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1 posted on 11/25/2013 5:08:12 AM PST by Orangedog
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To: Orangedog

Come on drug warriors and big government types...defend this. Remember, no complaining will be allowed when this happens to you or someone you care about.


2 posted on 11/25/2013 5:10:07 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

Pre-crime


3 posted on 11/25/2013 5:10:40 AM PST by Flick Lives (The U.S. is dead to me.)
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To: Orangedog

He wasn’t on the list of protected curriers. They were just eliminating the competition.


4 posted on 11/25/2013 5:18:02 AM PST by Tonytitan
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To: Orangedog

What if the compartment was for hiding his porn stash from his girlfriend? Or, his beer from his freeloading friends? What if he just wanted some place to try to conceal his valuables while traveling?

So, anything that “conceals” a space in your vehicle is assumed automatically to be drug related and thus punishable? So, if the spare tire well in the trunk is empty......am I violating the law in Ohio?


5 posted on 11/25/2013 5:20:27 AM PST by FAA
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To: Orangedog

How far we have fallen. Many of our founding fathers were smugglers living under the tyranny of the English overlords. Substitute “New England” for “England” and you know that we are in the same predicament.


6 posted on 11/25/2013 5:22:20 AM PST by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: Orangedog
How do they know that “intent” was to use it to conceal drugs for trafficking?

Do the cops have one of those Minority Report Machines?
7 posted on 11/25/2013 5:22:41 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2

If you could bring this story through a time machine to 1970, a reader of 1970 would assume that we had lost World War III to the communists.


8 posted on 11/25/2013 5:27:39 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Orangedog

If there are obvious wires running to a compartment, then it is de facto, not a hidden compartment.


9 posted on 11/25/2013 5:28:36 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Orangedog

Wasn’t it Louissianna where if you got stopped with a couple of thousand dollars in your pocket they took the money and said it was drug money?


10 posted on 11/25/2013 5:29:07 AM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: FAA

If arrested and charged with having a hidden compartment in your care (a 4th degree felony), you will have the opportunity to prove your innocence in court. That is if you have the $20,000 or more for attorneys fees. And even if you can prove your innocence, they get to keep your car.


11 posted on 11/25/2013 5:29:18 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: jaydubya2

Apparently cops are mind readers now and you can get busted for THINKING about doing something wrong.

I won’t say what I am thinking because they may be listening.


12 posted on 11/25/2013 5:29:25 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: Venturer

That’s not confined to Louisiana. Any cop can steal whatever money you have on you and call it drug money.


13 posted on 11/25/2013 5:32:28 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

The precedent on this type of horsepoo was set by things like....

1. “Prima fascia (sic?)” laws.....making the possession of something or commission of an act illegal WITHOUT any need to show intent to commit a real crime.

2. “Ignorance of the law is no excuse” horsepoo. Back when THE LAW was the 10 Commandments and 10 Amendments....this might of held some water. Assumption is that the person DOES know, but is merely lying about his ignorance to avoid punishment. HOWEVER, how many Indians were hung because in some of their many cultures there was no concept of “owning land” or upon finding something unattended supposed that it was abandoned? Is this any different than the white man’s law of salvage?

3. Drug paraphernalia horsepoo laws.....you can be sent up the river on drug charges for having a corncob pipe and BIC lighter if you left your tobaky on the dresser when you headed out to the bar.

4. Possession of criminal tools horsepoo laws.....screwdrivers, hammers, axes, etc....are “criminal tools” if found by a zealous enforcement type that wants to show you where the smoky bear poos in the woods.

....and it goes on.

They couldn’t tag this guy by his car/license and location and wait until he actually BREAKS A REAL LAW? Instead they MAKE UP A LAW for him to break.

Reeks of ex-posto facto and a bills of attainder.

We are one step short of just being YOU being illegal.

It is f%$king evil.

It has happened before....it is happening now.

DO NOT CONSENT.
Defend your liberty.
Not your comfort.


14 posted on 11/25/2013 5:33:08 AM PST by Lowell1775
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To: Orangedog

This story is along the same line as getting busted for possession of ziplock bags.


15 posted on 11/25/2013 5:39:43 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: jaydubya2
Do the cops have one of those Minority Report Machines Magic Eight Balls?

There, fixed!

Regards,
GtG

16 posted on 11/25/2013 5:40:49 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Orangedog

If you let people have secret compartments in their car, they might use them to hide Jews.


17 posted on 11/25/2013 5:41:58 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

Really small Jews, but Jews nonetheless...


18 posted on 11/25/2013 5:42:47 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Yes, tiny. Tiny but powerful!


19 posted on 11/25/2013 5:44:45 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Orangedog

Another victim of the WOD. Now it is illegal to even LOOK like you MIGHT smuggle drugs. When will it end?


20 posted on 11/25/2013 5:47:54 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Orangedog

I used to have a 1973 Jeep Renegade with a hidden compartment under the driver’s seat. The only Jeep I have ever seen one on.


21 posted on 11/25/2013 5:49:51 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Venturer

That is nation wide. Under Rico laws all the cops have to have is a suspicion that the money MIGHT me related to drugs and they can and will take it.


22 posted on 11/25/2013 5:50:42 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: shelterguy
"I won’t say what I am thinking because they may be listening."

Too late, they aready know:)
23 posted on 11/25/2013 5:50:43 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: Venturer

> Wasn’t it Louissianna where if you got stopped with a couple of thousand dollars in your pocket they took the money and said it was drug money?

Not just Louisiana but just about any department where corruption abounds. Funny how the “evidence” disappears on these cases.


24 posted on 11/25/2013 5:51:31 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Venturer
Wasn’t it Louissianna where if you got stopped with a couple of thousand dollars in your pocket they took the money and said it was drug money?

Don't know for sure but Florida does it all the time, they seem to favor highways that cross the peninsula east to west or vice versa.

Regards,
GtG

25 posted on 11/25/2013 5:51:51 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: FAA
So, if the spare tire well in the trunk is empty......am I violating the law in Ohio?

No. A spare tire is considered prepping (hoarding). You're good.

26 posted on 11/25/2013 5:53:49 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the Libs say we are.)
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To: Orangedog

I knew a twenty-something who drove a near comical wreck of an old Mazda. To add to the comedic value of his ride he affixed a Mercedes three-point star emblem to it. He got a ticket for altering the marque of the vehical. Apparently there is a law on the books in some states that makes it a crime to obscure the make of your car.

This is a police state, they just let you live here. Maybe.


27 posted on 11/25/2013 5:53:49 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: The Antiyuppie
If you could bring this story through a time machine to 1970, a reader of 1970 would assume that we had lost World War III to the communists.

This was a law signed by a Republican governor.

But hey......its all Obama's fault and if you don't vote for Jeb in 2016 you are a traitor. Right?

28 posted on 11/25/2013 6:07:00 AM PST by ClaytonP
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To: Orangedog; bamahead; ADemocratNoMore; Akron Al; arbee4bush; agrace; ATOMIC_PUNK; Badeye; ...

Ohio Ping
Norman Gurley, 30, is facing drug-related charges in Lorain County, Ohio, despite the fact that state troopers did not actually find any drugs in his possession.

Ohio passed a law in 2012 making it a felony to alter a vehicle to add a secret compartment with the “intent” of using it to conceal drugs for trafficking.

Gurley is the first actual person arrested under the law. WKYC in Northeast Ohio covered the arrest,


29 posted on 11/25/2013 6:11:03 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: Venturer

There is a Parish (County) where they were using this technique to fund the annual budget. They would randomly stop (mostly out ot state vehicles) and confiscate money and bling...rarely finding any real contraband.


31 posted on 11/25/2013 6:14:35 AM PST by RouxStir (No peein' allowed in the gene pool.)
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To: Orangedog

Who thought the War on Drugs was a good idea?

Who thought the War on Drugs was winnable?


32 posted on 11/25/2013 6:20:16 AM PST by hadaclueonce (Because Brawndo's got electrolytes.)
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To: FAA

What about the concealed gun safe I keep in my truck? Would that be considered illegal under this “law”?


33 posted on 11/25/2013 6:20:26 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals can afford for things to go well, to work, for folks to be happy. They'd be out of work.)
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To: Orangedog

I would say understand this if a drug dog hit on the compartment...but other than that...ridiculous


34 posted on 11/25/2013 6:21:10 AM PST by bike800
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To: Orangedog

The cops need to get the arrest numbers up, so they arrest people who haven’t commited a crime. They’re usually normal people without a lot of money, and they can’t fight the charges, and there are no ‘civil rights’ lawyers waiting to help them out.


35 posted on 11/25/2013 6:23:16 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Orangedog

Well in my state the cops would do about 5 illegal anal probes and a surgery to discover no drugs.


36 posted on 11/25/2013 6:23:30 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: Orangedog
Any cop can steal whatever money you have on you and call it drug money.

I don't normally carry more than about $20 at a time for a host of reasons. In any robbery or such, my wallet would be a diversion.

37 posted on 11/25/2013 6:24:30 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals can afford for things to go well, to work, for folks to be happy. They'd be out of work.)
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To: SampleMan

Most relevant post of the thread.

However, you will anger the potheads if you do not agree that every government excess means drugs should be legalised.


38 posted on 11/25/2013 6:24:51 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: bike800

Cops can make a drug dog hit on anything they want.

About as reliable as a divining rod.


39 posted on 11/25/2013 6:24:58 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: jaydubya2
How do they know that “intent” was to use it to conceal drugs for trafficking?

They don't. And we're getting to the point where we can no longer assume contraband means drugs. It could be cigarettes, light bulbs, ammunition, or laundry detergent.

40 posted on 11/25/2013 6:28:14 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: TheThirdRuffian
About as reliable as a divining rod.

Careful, there are a great many FReepers that believe divining rods work just great.
41 posted on 11/25/2013 6:32:17 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: Orangedog

Next up “man arrested for having a rectum which could be used to hide drugs”. Oh wait... Never mind.


42 posted on 11/25/2013 6:34:45 AM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I had a 73 CJ5 as well years ago and I am trying to work out what kind of compartment could be set up under the driver’s seat. I don’t doubt yours had one.

I wished AMC Jeep would have kept the passenger side under seat storage compartment that Willlys and AMC models had until 76.


43 posted on 11/25/2013 6:36:47 AM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: Orangedog
If arrested and charged with having a hidden compartment in your care (a 4th degree felony), you will have the opportunity to prove your innocence in court.

Gee, silly me; here I thought that THEY had to PROVE YOU guilty!

44 posted on 11/25/2013 6:37:32 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: ZX12R

I never put much stock in diving rods but my grandfather passed on mom’s side was either very lucky or could make it work. He was pretty accurate and often requested.


45 posted on 11/25/2013 6:40:04 AM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: I want the USA back
The cops need to get the arrest numbers up, so they arrest people who haven’t commited a crime.

“There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” - Ayn Rand

46 posted on 11/25/2013 6:45:08 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Orangedog

“But, Your Honor, I only installed that secret compartment so that I could smuggle Mexicans over the border”.

“CASE DISMISSED!”


47 posted on 11/25/2013 6:46:54 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Exactly! The Libertarians are right on this one. It is time to end the War on Drugs.


48 posted on 11/25/2013 6:48:31 AM PST by wintertime
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To: ZX12R

I had a municipal water guy look for the shutoff valve under my front yard one time. He couldn’t find it visually, then got out his divining rod, and swore it would work. Eventually, he got serious and pulled out the metal detector.


49 posted on 11/25/2013 6:52:08 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Lowell1775
Yup. Last Saturday one of my friends texted me at 1:00 am. He had met some of his friends from college at a bar and had had too much to drink. Asked me to come pick him up.

I texted him back that I would be there in 25 minutes.

When I got there the cops were arresting him.

The bar had closed and he had been sitting in the car and started the engine because it was cold out.

I showed one of the many cops who were there the text messages and explained that he did not intend to drive.

For that, I got to take a field sobriety test despite the fact that was perfectly lucid and have not had a drink in a few months.

I'm fine but my friend got to spend the night in jail and will probably lose his license. I plan on going to court with him and am hoping that the judge will be a bit more even headed than the police were.

50 posted on 11/25/2013 6:58:58 AM PST by SouthParkRepublican
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