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It’s Not a Trap: On Republicans and the Fred Upton bill.
National Review ^ | 11/14/2013 | Jeffrey H. Anderson

Posted on 11/14/2013 6:36:05 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Writing at RedState, Erick Erickson argues that, in championing the Upton bill—which would make millions of Americans’ health-insurance plans legal again for the next year — “Republicans are walking into a trap.” He writes that the bill, proposed by Representative Fred Upton (R., Mich.), “does not have anything in it that can force insurance companies . . . to keep insurance plans going.” Meanwhile, Senator Mary Landrieu’s bill, which, Erickson writes, “the Democrats love . . . mandates [that] insurance companies have to keep people on their present insurance.” He then predicts the following result:

The House, with the help of a good number of Democrats, will pass the Upton plan and send it to the Senate. Harry Reid will substitute the Landrieu plan and send it back to the House. The House will be forced to either vote for the Landrieu plan or be characterized as siding with insurance companies against people.

In one fell swoop, the Democrats will have the GOP on record saving Mary Landrieu’s re-election in Louisiana by casting her as the one who saved Americans’ health care plans, and also getting on record as really being in favor of fixing Obamacare with the use of mandates.

In truth, Obamacare is not fixable. The only solution is to fully repeal it. The Republicans should not be helping Democrats with their re-election plans, which is all the are doing with Upton/Landrieu.

Erickson is certainly right that Obamacare is not fixable, that Republican shouldn’t be trying to fix it in any event, and that the only real solution to Obamare is to repeal it (which can’t happen until President Obama has a complete ideological or psychological conversion, about 40 percent of Senate Democrats jump ship, or we hit January 20, 2017 — whichever comes first). He’s also right that the Upton bill won’t bring back to life all of the plans that Obamacare has already killed off with its coercive mandates. But he’s wrong that it’s a trap. Or, rather, he’s wrong that it’s a trap for Republicans.

The Upton bill helps put Obama’s oft-repeated “you can keep it” lie even more front-and-center. More important, it puts red-state and swing-state Senate Democrats in the position where they have to decide between defying Obama on his centerpiece legislation or else saying that they don’t think their constituents who like their plans should be able to keep their plans. In short, it puts them in an impossible place and helps solidify their status as sitting ducks a year from now.

Moreover — and important — the Upton bill would not help fix Obamacare. To the contrary, if it were to become law, it would badly undermine Obamacare’s exchanges, which would then be drained of millions of (previously insured and hence generally healthier) people whom Obama wanted to compel to buy exchange-based plans by banning their preferred plans. In short, Upton would hurt Obamacare, not fix it — which is why Obama opposes it.

As for Landrieu’s bill, if Republicans can’t successfully argue that Congress has no constitutional power to compel commerce (the basic point of the successful — in that vein — challenge to Obamacare under the Commerce Clause), if they can’t argue that Congress has no power to compel anyone to sell an insurance plan, or, by extension, to compel a doctor to see a patient, etc., then we’re in sad shape.

Obamacare made millions of people’s plans illegal. By passing the Upton bill, House Republicans would be striving to make them legal again for the next year. If insurers nevertheless choose to stop offering those plans, it will still be Obamacare that set that trend in motion. What’s more, the GOP would then be free to criticize those insurers and remind voters that, over the next decade, Obamacare would funnel a stunning $1 trillion from American taxpayers, via Washington, to insurers (according to the Congressional Budget Office). Meanwhile, Landrieu’s bill is more of the heavy-handed, coercive model of government that gave us Obamacare to begin with, and Republicans should say so.

Finally, Landrieu’s bill would undermine the Obamacare exchanges at least as much as Upton’s bill would. So the Democrats certainly don’t love it, and it’s highly unlikely they would ever pass it. But if they did, and if the House and Senate ended up reconciling Upton and Landrieu in conference, the clear loser would be Obamacare — whose exchange population would just have gotten older, sicker, and costlier.

And then around October 2014, all of those notices about losing your health plan because of Obamacare would start being mailed out again, just in time to help voters make an informed choice on November 4.

House Republican should pass the Upton bill and let Senate Democrats decide what to do with it. The range of bad options facing the party of Obamacare will further illustrate that, just because they like their government takeover of health care, they can’t necessarily keep their government takeover of health care.

— Jeffrey H. Anderson is executive director of the newly formed 2017 Project, which is working to advance a conservative reform agenda.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fredupton; obamacare
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
RE :”What Republicans should do now is to insist that 0care cover illegal aliens.”

That makes me laugh but I proposed a related idea for amnesty, which seems to be dead fortunately.

The Senate amnesty bill exempts illegals from Obamacare but that would give employers a effective tax cut to hire them over us.

To be consistent with Rubios promises the amnesty bill should have required that illegals who apply meet all the Obamacare mandates without any government $$$ to help pay for it.

That would have killed the amnesty bill because few or none could comply.

I actually had a few here who argued for the constitutional rights of illegals against the idea.

41 posted on 11/14/2013 7:36:22 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: SeekAndFind
The democRATs/progressives/marxists/socialists made their bed, let them sleep in it.

Note to Republicans: not one of you should do anything to fix this disaster called 0bamacare. If you do, we will primary you.

5.56mm

42 posted on 11/14/2013 7:38:28 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I am of the opinion that the GOP could propose bills that are popular and look compassionate but weaken Obamacare, the Obamacare that only Dems will own.

only because of this situation Dems got themselves in.

Like when Dems pass minimum wage increase, very few blame them for the associated unemployment. But they score points for compassion for it.

Fight like Dems do, to win.


43 posted on 11/14/2013 7:40:54 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: traderrob6

“They should do “nothing” to save or aid the bill in any way, shape or form.”

Agreed - but voting against the bill is NOT ‘doing nothing’

They will blame us for voting down the fix!!

The only way to ensure that the dems/libs will continue to own it is to abstain from voting for anything less than repeal. Don’t vote NO. ABSTAIN!


44 posted on 11/14/2013 7:41:28 AM PST by privatedrive
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To: Lakeshark
And let's face it, the only thing good about Fred Upton is his niece........

Obligatory .... like CZ-J and MoDo ...


45 posted on 11/14/2013 7:45:50 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: sickoflibs
the GOP could propose bills that are popular and look compassionate

They lose absolutely every time they try that. Just like trying to look good with the media. They cannot fight like the dems. The dems own the media which means the dems own the message.

They need to let this thing crash and burn and place absolutely no fingers on it. If anything they should be insisting that this law should be and should have been implemented as written.
46 posted on 11/14/2013 7:50:08 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Dems pass minimum wage and when people lose those low paying jobs they blame the rich and corporsations and say it shows we need even MORE food stamps and tax credits and head start and Obamaphones for those unemployed victims of greed. (and medicaid)

Only a small % of Americans seem to understand why minimum wage would kill jobs.


47 posted on 11/14/2013 7:51:07 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: SeekAndFind
obzocare is on the ropes and NOW is the time to finish it off. Obozocare is a huge hammer for the Adolf obozo and the commie dems to complete their remaking of America so if the law is not repealed in this volley of magnificent failures, it will mature into being the American health industry destroyer and social controlling plague on the US it was designed to be.
48 posted on 11/14/2013 7:51:18 AM PST by drypowder
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To: Servant of the Cross; C. Edmund Wright
The only good thing about Fred Upton is:

And yes, CEW, you CAN borrow that line.....:-)

49 posted on 11/14/2013 7:52:56 AM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: mmichaels1970
RE :”They lose absolutely every time they try that. Just like trying to look good with the media. They cannot fight like the dems. The dems own the media which means the dems own the message.”

I saw them lose 2012 after they repealed it 40 times in house.

Then October 1st we were told Obama would blink and defund Obamacare if the government shut down and it only seemed to strenthen him amd make him bolder.

I notice Mark Levin and Rush are suddenly quoting polls when justa few weeks ago during shutdown they kept saying that polls are irrelevent.

Fight like Dems, they pass minimum wage and successfully blame the rich for the unemployment, and look compassionate for it too.

50 posted on 11/14/2013 7:56:03 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Regulator

Full Definition of LAISSEZ-FAIRE

1) a doctrine opposing governmental interference in economic affairs beyond the minimum necessary for the maintenance of peace and property rights

2) a philosophy or practice characterized by a usually deliberate abstention from direction or interference especially with individual freedom of choice and action


51 posted on 11/14/2013 7:58:06 AM PST by privatedrive
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To: Buckeye McFrog

When I found out it was Upton behind the law for those horrible lightbulbs & GWB signed it, that’s when I knew we have NO ONE TO TRUST IN OUR GOVT. GE & China thank you — UPTON the IDIOT. Send them all back home. We would be better off if Congress met one month a year with the sole purpose of de-activating the damage they have done to us all. Revolution is long overdue.


52 posted on 11/14/2013 8:08:23 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Lakeshark
no ... bigger fool than Fred Upton.

This one says it all and puts the analysis of this Upton bill to rest ...

Fred Upton Supports the Landrieu Obamacare Fix. So Does Barack Obama


53 posted on 11/14/2013 8:11:42 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: SeekAndFind
I don't remember outright attempts at repealing ozombiecare, but the recent gov’t shutdown was due in no small part to defunding O-care.

Right now, o-commie is a PROVEN LIAR in many ways; so, the timing of repealing o-disaster-care could not be better.

54 posted on 11/14/2013 8:17:14 AM PST by caprock
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To: traderrob6
Couldn't DISAGREE more!

Not ONE Republican voted for the infinite-disaster (O-care); so, why go within a few galaxies of the monstrous pile of dung? The world finally sees the empty suit as the complete LIAR he always has been, and his commie-crat party with their propaganda media are solely responsible for it all. Let the whole group of evil, worthless liars OWN the train-wreck they've created.

55 posted on 11/14/2013 8:27:11 AM PST by caprock
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To: caprock

“— Jeffrey H. Anderson is executive director of the newly formed 2017 Project, which is working to advance a conservative reform agenda.”

Maybe his heart’s in the right place, but I’d sure love to play poker with him.


56 posted on 11/14/2013 8:44:18 AM PST by privatedrive
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To: SeekAndFind

Keep your plan for a year


57 posted on 11/14/2013 8:45:03 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Take out the trash)
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To: SeekAndFind; Regulator
Haven’t we tried that over 37 times already?

No, empty, symbolic, resolutions by GOP House members that do nothing but spout empty rhetoric are not attempts to repeal, but to manipulate voters into thinking you are doing something about the problem while doing nothing.

The GOP Led house had the opportunity lately to defund Obamacare (A.K.A. Real action to stop it) and fund the rest of the government and that whole process just clearly showed who was really against Obamacare and who wasn't.

So, there has only been one REAL attempt. Everything else was just hot-air.
58 posted on 11/14/2013 9:06:29 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: sickoflibs; mmichaels1970
I saw them lose 2012 after they repealed it 40 times in house.

Symbolic resolutions, with no teeth, with no legal binding authority, is nothing but empty rhetoric meant to lie to voters that they are against something, when they really are not.

If the House, of which you are referring to, had really been against Obamacare, they would have defunded it, while funding the rest of the Government as Senator Ted Cruz was pushing.

They did not, when given the opportunity.

They are nothing but lying politicians.
59 posted on 11/14/2013 9:09:44 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

during the election campaign last year John Beohner said ACA was the law of the land and would be funded.


60 posted on 11/14/2013 9:12:45 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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