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It’s Not a Trap: On Republicans and the Fred Upton bill.
National Review ^ | 11/14/2013 | Jeffrey H. Anderson

Posted on 11/14/2013 6:36:05 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 11/14/2013 6:36:05 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Just repeal it.

Any Dems who don’t go along with it will be hung out to dry by their own constituents.

It’s the biggest fiasco of a government program in my lifetime.

Go for the kill now and the beast won’t rise again for decades.


2 posted on 11/14/2013 6:39:27 AM PST by Regulator
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To: Regulator

RE: Just repeal it.

Haven’t we tried that over 37 times already?


3 posted on 11/14/2013 6:40:07 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

No Republicans should vote for Upton’s plan that will save the Democrats’ seats in next year’s election. To even consider this qualifies the GOP as the Stupid Party.

If they sit tight, the screams of millions of voters dumped by their employer-provided plans next year will sink ObamaCare for good. The Democrats will vote for complete repeal right before the elections.


4 posted on 11/14/2013 6:41:07 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: SeekAndFind

\Bump


5 posted on 11/14/2013 6:42:42 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: SeekAndFind
RE :”Moreover — and important — the Upton bill would not help fix Obamacare. To the contrary, if it were to become law, it would badly undermine Obamacare’s exchanges, which would then be drained of millions of (previously insured and hence generally healthier) people whom Obama wanted to compel to buy exchange-based plans by banning their preferred plans. In short, Upton would hurt Obamacare, not fix it — which is why Obama opposes it.”

Great analysis!

I dont know why the talk radio hosts are opposing undermining the mandates in this bill but obviously many are commenting based on what they heard them say.

6 posted on 11/14/2013 6:43:29 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: SeekAndFind; cripplecreek; nathanbedford
Jeffrey H. Anderson is executive director of the newly formed 2017 Project, which is working to advance a conservative reform agenda.

Bill Kristol is the Board Chair of this new group with Spencer Abraham (MI ping). That gives me pause. The article presents a decent argument for the Upton bill, but is it a trap or is it a good tactic along the way to full REPEAL?

7 posted on 11/14/2013 6:44:10 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: SeekAndFind
RE :”As for Landrieu’s bill, if Republicans can’t successfully argue that Congress has no constitutional power to compel commerce (the basic point of the successful — in that vein — challenge to Obamacare under the Commerce Clause), if they can’t argue that Congress has no power to compel anyone to sell an insurance plan, or, by extension, to compel a doctor to see a patient, etc., then we’re in sad shape.”

Good too.

8 posted on 11/14/2013 6:44:12 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: txrefugee

I agree, but there is another option.

Demand and attach a virtual stripping of Obamacare to whatever democrats propose. Not just the tame options being regarded, which are fine and should be included, but a virtual replacement of the bill with all of the republican proposals.


9 posted on 11/14/2013 6:45:26 AM PST by Vanbasten
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To: Regulator

Republicans must APPEAR like they are doing everything in there power to SAVE Obamacare while in reality doing nothing.

Also they must trumpet repeal and alternative plans containing such things as interstate health insurance purchases, tort reform, and a few cherry picked positives buried in ACA.


10 posted on 11/14/2013 6:46:12 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: SeekAndFind

This is optimistic, likely overly so. If he is right, why aren’t GOPers out there making the case right now? Congress can’t compel/force a business to sell something. Just like they can’t force an individual to buy something... Oh, wait!

Republicans (save for a few) are still playing politics and not looking out for what’s best for the nation.

They need to get aggressive about the We Told You So and pushing complete repeal and defunding.


11 posted on 11/14/2013 6:47:03 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals want to be eaten last. I don't want to be eaten at all!)
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To: txrefugee

Welcome to the Republican’s latest dilemma: Should Republicans help bail out Democrats on Obamacare by passing a bill that would allow insurance companies to continue offering plans that have been cancelled due to Obamacare rules?

This from the American Thinker:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/11/erickson_vs_anderson_on_the_keep_your_plan_act.html

Both Anderson’s and Erickson’s points may be moot. Unless things change dramatically in the next week or so, Harry Reid will not bring any Obamacare fix to the floor. And it wouldn’t matter anyway because the White House has indicated that the president will veto the measure.

The GOP should thank Bill Clinton. He has put congressional Democrats in an even worse position than they were before he said that Congress should act to make good on Obama’s promise. (He’s also distanced Hillary from the whole mess, thus probably saving her candidacy - for now.) While giving Democrats in congress some political cover to vote for the Keep Your Plan Act, defying a sitting president from your own party has its consequences. House Democratic leaders have indicated that gutting Obamacare - which the Keep Your Plan Act has a good chance of doing - would have fundraising reprecussions next fall.

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12 posted on 11/14/2013 6:47:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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13 posted on 11/14/2013 6:48:10 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Servant of the Cross

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14 posted on 11/14/2013 6:48:13 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: SeekAndFind

That was before the dems up for re-election started seeing their poll numbers.


15 posted on 11/14/2013 6:48:27 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind
Why can't Mr. Upton come out, face the cameras, and explain the reasons why his bill is not "walking into a trap?"

I thought it was every congressman's dream to have the media's attention.

Why does he let Rush Limbaugh and other pundits describe his bill and its consequences for him?

16 posted on 11/14/2013 6:49:16 AM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: traderrob6

Tort reform
interstate insurance competition
Individual tax deductions for premiums and HSAs.

Healthcare system would be fixed within 2 years, max.


17 posted on 11/14/2013 6:49:55 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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Lots of folks I don't trust involved with this.

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18 posted on 11/14/2013 6:53:00 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, it is.

Harry Reid will turn the Upton bill into the Landrieu bill. They will go to conference and we’ll get 90% of the Landrieu bill (with many more little hidden “gotchas”, no doubt).

I don’t trust the man who is the major reason my attic storage space is completely filled with light bulbs.


19 posted on 11/14/2013 6:53:57 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Tenacious 1
Congress can’t compel/force a business to sell something. Just like they can’t force an individual to buy something... Oh, wait!

I was about to make the same point. Conservatives: Don't play the progressive's game.

20 posted on 11/14/2013 6:53:57 AM PST by optiguy (Winter is coming.)
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