To: SeekAndFind
Just repeal it.
Any Dems who don’t go along with it will be hung out to dry by their own constituents.
It’s the biggest fiasco of a government program in my lifetime.
Go for the kill now and the beast won’t rise again for decades.
2 posted on
11/14/2013 6:39:27 AM PST by
Regulator
To: SeekAndFind
No Republicans should vote for Upton’s plan that will save the Democrats’ seats in next year’s election. To even consider this qualifies the GOP as the Stupid Party.
If they sit tight, the screams of millions of voters dumped by their employer-provided plans next year will sink ObamaCare for good. The Democrats will vote for complete repeal right before the elections.
4 posted on
11/14/2013 6:41:07 AM PST by
txrefugee
To: SeekAndFind
5 posted on
11/14/2013 6:42:42 AM PST by
AMDG&BVMH
To: SeekAndFind
RE :”
Moreover and important the Upton bill would not help fix Obamacare. To the contrary, if it were to become law, it would badly undermine Obamacares exchanges, which would then be drained of millions of (previously insured and hence generally healthier) people whom Obama wanted to compel to buy exchange-based plans by banning their preferred plans. In short, Upton would hurt Obamacare, not fix it which is why Obama opposes it.” Great analysis!
I dont know why the talk radio hosts are opposing undermining the mandates in this bill but obviously many are commenting based on what they heard them say.
6 posted on
11/14/2013 6:43:29 AM PST by
sickoflibs
(Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
To: SeekAndFind; cripplecreek; nathanbedford
Jeffrey H. Anderson is executive director of the newly formed 2017 Project, which is working to advance a conservative reform agenda.Bill Kristol is the Board Chair of this new group with Spencer Abraham (MI ping). That gives me pause. The article presents a decent argument for the Upton bill, but is it a trap or is it a good tactic along the way to full REPEAL?
To: SeekAndFind
RE :”
As for Landrieus bill, if Republicans cant successfully argue that Congress has no constitutional power to compel commerce (the basic point of the successful in that vein challenge to Obamacare under the Commerce Clause), if they cant argue that Congress has no power to compel anyone to sell an insurance plan, or, by extension, to compel a doctor to see a patient, etc., then were in sad shape.” Good too.
8 posted on
11/14/2013 6:44:12 AM PST by
sickoflibs
(Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
To: SeekAndFind
This is optimistic, likely overly so. If he is right, why aren’t GOPers out there making the case right now? Congress can’t compel/force a business to sell something. Just like they can’t force an individual to buy something... Oh, wait!
Republicans (save for a few) are still playing politics and not looking out for what’s best for the nation.
They need to get aggressive about the We Told You So and pushing complete repeal and defunding.
11 posted on
11/14/2013 6:47:03 AM PST by
Tenacious 1
(Liberals want to be eaten last. I don't want to be eaten at all!)
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13 posted on
11/14/2013 6:48:10 AM PST by
DJ MacWoW
(The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
To: SeekAndFind
Why can't Mr. Upton come out, face the cameras, and explain the reasons why his bill is not "walking into a trap?"
I thought it was every congressman's dream to have the media's attention.
Why does he let Rush Limbaugh and other pundits describe his bill and its consequences for him?
16 posted on
11/14/2013 6:49:16 AM PST by
Steely Tom
(If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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18 posted on
11/14/2013 6:53:00 AM PST by
cripplecreek
(REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
To: SeekAndFind
Yes, it is.
Harry Reid will turn the Upton bill into the Landrieu bill. They will go to conference and we’ll get 90% of the Landrieu bill (with many more little hidden “gotchas”, no doubt).
I don’t trust the man who is the major reason my attic storage space is completely filled with light bulbs.
To: SeekAndFind
If it includes 100 Watt Upton, it’s a trap.
23 posted on
11/14/2013 7:04:41 AM PST by
Balding_Eagle
(Damn ObamaCare, full speed ahead!)
To: SeekAndFind
Wrong IMHO. Passing the bill to ‘fix’ Obamacare makes Republicans culpable for all problems that ensue.
Voting for fix = huge mistake.
Right now, the Dems own it completely. Do we really want to own it with them?
So here’s the vote:
“Do you want to fix Obamacare?”
Yay or Nay?
It’s like:
“Do you want to continue beating your wife?”
Yay or Nay?
It’s a TRAP! There’s no right answer!!
THE ONLY POSSIBLE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS TO NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION.
I am not going to answer because I do not accept the premiss.
Abstain.
Vote ‘Present’
To: SeekAndFind
Message to Republicans in the US House: Get your hands off Obamacare, stop trying to fix it, LEAVE IT ALONE!!! It is a pure disaster for the Democrats so stop trying to bail them out. Stand back and let them wallow in it, turn on each other and make it even a bigger disaster.
To: SeekAndFind
The democRATs/progressives/marxists/socialists made their bed, let them sleep in it.
Note to Republicans: not one of you should do anything to fix this disaster called 0bamacare. If you do, we will primary you.
5.56mm
42 posted on
11/14/2013 7:38:28 AM PST by
M Kehoe
To: SeekAndFind
obzocare is on the ropes and NOW is the time to finish it off. Obozocare is a huge hammer for the Adolf obozo and the commie dems to complete their remaking of America so if the law is not repealed in this volley of magnificent failures, it will mature into being the American health industry destroyer and social controlling plague on the US it was designed to be.
To: SeekAndFind
Keep your plan for a year
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