Posted on 11/11/2013 2:34:07 PM PST by AdaGray
Contrary to what establishment GOP types would have us believe, a third party would not be lethal to the conservative cause.
Bingo! — as long as the GOP has the mentality that they deserve my vote, they ain't getting it.
Here's how you can tell:
The Tao of Republican Orthodoxy
GOP no longer represents the conservative cause adequately.
You said it all.
Tea partiers think that working on the congresscritter's campaign is gonna make the GOP "see da light!"
PHOOOEY!
Hey, Tea partiers, forget the top, forget the middle, GET TO WORK AND START AT THE VERY, VERY STINKING BOTTOM.
You need to UNDERMINE the power structure.
You wrestle control away from the rinos by becoming committeemen, committeewomen, running for state committee, volunteer to be judge of election (God, I hated that job.) Hang out at your local courthouse. Get to know who is who ON THE VERY BOTTOM.
The bottom polyester people are the ones who give the GOP the power. Learn that and live it.
But, its a lot of HARD, HARD WORK. Maybe you folks just aren't up to the challenge?
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What you said.
One of the greatest fear folks have is going out on their own.. Leaving behind that which had served it so well for so long, ‘til tomorrow dawns, some folks ought not worry about being alone, at home or in the gulag.
If those elected to be doing the job say they are, yet the results are dismal, what do you do? Election after election..
as Perot pined, I’m all ears! So says a bunch of folks..
GiDDYUP!
Excellent point! The name "Tea Party" just didn't hit the mark for me. But "The Reagan Party" sounds mighty fine.
Elections are irrelevant.
Casting votes are now irrelevant.
Cook County went national, so it does not matter what party one belongs - the Ruling Class will choose who rules.
And when the Ruling Class does not like whomever might by some miracle be “elected” - they will strip them of power and make them irrelevant as well.
We’ve gone Soviet, and most are stuck in Normalcy Bias mode.
Ah the strange machinations of New York politics where there are 4 standing parties Republican, Liberal, Conservative, and Democrat (socialist). NYC has been a hotbed of socialism dating back to Marx and the Democrat party is their home. The republicans are basically the Nelson Rockefeller, Teddy Roosevelt country club variety. The Conservatives are mostly that just not very big and the Liberal are more of the classic variety not the government at all costs version. There are other parties that spring up regularly thanks to the tiny number of signatures needed to gain ballot access. There are Republicans who have run on that line and the Liberal line the most notable recent example being Mr. Mayor Rudy Giuliani. This seems to work for NY and brings some different voices to the fore. I doubt our nation of low information voters is ready for nationwide roll-out.
>>Wrong debate; IMO, what we need to debate is collectivism* v. liberty-ism.
You need to do some reading. Transnational Progressivism is the catch-all for all forms of statism in the American culture. It is the Marxism that allows for private property so you can’t call it communism. It is the fascism that isn’t nationalist. In the US, the Progressive movement predates communism, socialism, and fascism. It is also the ideology that gave us the federal reserve and income taxes.
In the conservative movement, we need to learn what the real enemy is. If we attack bits and pieces of Progressivism, the Progs just say, “we’re not x-ism because we permit y”.
They call themselves Progressive so we don’t need to assign a name to them that they can refute.
I would be happy with one party that believed in constitutional limited government.
After we get one, then we can worry about getting a second one.
It is easier to take over half of half, than to build up an entire party from nothing. Even the Republicans started as a majority based on coopting the Whigs and anti-slavery Democrats.
yes, it would not be the end of the GOP for many reasons, including:
1) many rank and file republicans are liberal or leftist to begin with (at least a third of present republicans are “moderate,” meaning liberal. they just need a more exclusive club than the one for dems.
2) the money bags of the GOP mostly despise conservatives and conservatism. they will continue to fund the GOP and the dems as false flag operations.
3) they have the intertia of low-information voters already registered, all their existing political machinery, favored tax status, existing law that keeps them holed up in safe districts without state control or term limts. in short, all the favored status that being one of the two major parties confers.
oh well, this comment is over long. while the GOP would continue on, especially in “blue” states. it would eventually mean that the GOP and their candidates would have to come hat in hand and bow to conservative power in red states, assuming they want their party to remain national. if so, at last represent the red states would have to be given representation in the GOP party leadership in far increased proportions than they have now.
for this, and many other reasons, it necessary for true conservatives to fund, focus and organize their efforts and resources on their own national party in order to secure raw political power to accomplish conservative ends.
3rd party did little for the Whigs.
Cuccinnelli was the only one on the ballot that didn’t have a party backing him.
“For some reason only the Left is capable of uniting all their factions into a voting block.”
They do it with rigorous and unyielding enforcement of certain platform items. The most uniformly enforced norm is the legality of killing babies and the urgent need to subsidize baby killers with taxpayer money. No democrat is permitted to deviate from that norm in a vote that means anything without severe consequences from the party.
GOP’ers are allowed to say they are against Obamacare and for small government and less spending. But if they act on those statements, they are pariahs. So we have a kind of skitzy norm enforced on the R’s. You may say whatever you want, but if you do not vote for larger government and more spending, you are ostracized by leadership.
Tagline material, right there.
Thank you, but I don't think I want to be part of a national socialistic party.
If Fast and Furious didn't clue people into the nature of the corrupt kabuki theater that is our government, I don't think anything will.
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