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Judge Ordered Sikh to Remove 'That Rag' from Head, Says ACLU
GMA via Yahoo! ^ | 9/28/13 | RUSSELL GOLDMAN

Posted on 09/28/2013 11:21:13 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows

On Jan. 16, Jagjeet Singh, 49, a long-haul truck driver from California on his way to pick up chickens for delivery in Texas, was pulled over for driving with a flat tire in Pike County, Miss.

Officers at a weigh station operated by the Department of Transportation demanded that Singh turn over his "kirpan," a 3-inch ceremonial blade carried by all Sikh men and frequently sewed into the waistband of their trousers, according to the ACLU.

"Contending, wrongly, that his kirpan was illegal, the DOT officer demanded that Mr. Singh turn it over. Mr. Singh tried to explain that he was a Sikh and that the kirpan was a sacred religious article," the ACLU wrote in a letter of complaint to the DOT. "In response, however, the officer laughed at him and mocked his religious beliefs.

"One officer declared that all Sikhs are depraved and 'terrorists,'" the ACLU said in its letter. DOT officers then arrested Singh for "refusing to obey a command" when he would not turn over his kirpan to police, according to the ACLU.

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Singh appeared in court on March 26, when, his lawyers said, he was further demeaned by Pike County Judge Aubrey Rimes.

"Court officers told him he had to leave because he was wearing a turban and the judge wanted it removed. He was intimidated and horrified," said the ACLU's Atwood.

Rimes allegedly called Singh's turban "that rag" and insisted he remove it or his case would be called last on the docket after everyone else in the courtroom had left. Singh refused to remove the turban and was called last.

According to the ACLU, Singh pleaded guilty to the charge of refusing to obey a command and paid a fine.

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To: Slings and Arrows

Allot of Americans often confuse Sikh with Muslim and this remains me of a time, I was boarding a plane in Baltimore (pre-9-11)and the ticket agent would not allow a group of Sikhs to board with their draggers along with their leader. I pulled the agent a side, showed her my military ID and explained the whole thing to her-—She let them board no problem, I don’t know if it was common sense or the fear of a religious lawsuit.


41 posted on 09/29/2013 12:40:08 AM PDT by Trueblackman (As a Conservative, I am proud to be on the Obama's enemy list and on the right side of history..)
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To: Utilizer

Last time I checked, people had to volunteer to experience drill instructors. They don’t just walk around doing that to people on the street.


42 posted on 09/29/2013 12:41:17 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: JediJones
Actually, horses and sometimes buggys as well are quite common here along with the normal traffic. Lots of bicycles as well and even a few scooters for the disabled now and again.

All are free to practice their religion here so long as it hurts no one else. However, bulky headgear can hide illegal or dangerous substances, fullface veils and bhurkas can hide identity and gender (and the moozlib use it for that, repeatedly, and the entire country should not be required to be taught all the myriad customs and concepts of every other religion in the world, let alone their languages, simply to placate the unfathomable sensitivities of cultures and nations with bizarre and disgusting habits. Just because you jump up to sqaut on the dunny where you come from, do not expect us to have to provide nonskid strips on the seat simply to conform to your expectations as it was back home.

43 posted on 09/29/2013 12:46:41 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: lee martell

Sorry they don’t need to conform, most Sikh are very peaceful people(outside of those that serve in militaries worldwide) and I have served shoulder to shoulder with them when stationed in the Far East. The Judge and Police are wrong here and need to get their heads out of their a**.


44 posted on 09/29/2013 12:48:45 AM PDT by Trueblackman (As a Conservative, I am proud to be on the Obama's enemy list and on the right side of history..)
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To: Trueblackman
Well done. Sikhs take a lot of crap off of people that they don't deserve. Wonder how they handle the Kirpan travelling issue now, post 9/11.

To all: Just ran across this- the caption is priceless:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SikhsInFrancePostcard.jpg

45 posted on 09/29/2013 12:54:40 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: JediJones
*laugh* Bloody hell, where to start.

First, seatbelt laws were never meant to be a reason to pull someone over. I remember when they were still arguing about it way back when. Now, that and mandatory "insurance" no matter how much it costs you is somehow "legal"

"Intermittant" taillights are a favourite of cops for generating an easy ticket to get quotas up. Your local agencies need funding so must keep the revenue streams flowing.

Mandatorily towing a vehicle to generate even more revenue with a three-day minimal storage fee is illegal on its face, but you seem to have no problem with it. More revenue for the government.

Any one of those decisions could have been (and always were, in the past) dealt with using only some advice to get it taken care of, but I suppose if you feel the need to help grease the government wheels then feel free by all means.

Being forced to sign a document that states you agree with your private property being seized and mandatory fees paid before you can attempt to claim possession upon threat of incarceration if you do not is robbery, plain as can be. Unless you are one of those sorts that LIKE jail. Whatever, mate.

As far as firearms: the Second Amendment says nothing at all about "Licensing" what is stated to be what is a God-given right. It says nothing about hunting either, but feel free to interpret it that way if you wish. The First Amendment also says nothing about a "License" being necessary if you want to print a flyer of some sort or even your own 'newspaper' if you wish. I gather you might not understand the similarities, however.

Did I leave anything out?

46 posted on 09/29/2013 1:03:44 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Slings and Arrows
The entire incident should not have required any search of his person. Yea a lot of states will make the driver stay at the scales with truck out os service until their company wires the fine to the scales or the driver pays it himself. Could have been an honest error all the way around and the tire could have went flat after his last stop time. That happens.

Seriously pulling a portable chicken coup what was he going to do? I can say from experience scale houses can get very overzealous and that was over 28 years ago when I drove last. Some had bad reputations. Entering California used to be real bad. They had a mandatory port of entry & they'd always find something in their truck inspections. Ching Ching Ching Ching!

47 posted on 09/29/2013 1:04:40 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: nickcarraway

When you admit being a “driver”, you volunteer to undergo the remarkable experience of being interrogated and belittled by LEOs by default. Never mind what the actual legal definition of a driver is. And since most people admit to ‘driving’, they can be stopped and questioned at any time by the admission thereof. Including ‘on the street’. Which is where most cars are, by design.


48 posted on 09/29/2013 1:09:22 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Sikh’s are not ragheads.

Stoopit premise...


49 posted on 09/29/2013 1:36:23 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: laplata; Utilizer

50 posted on 09/29/2013 1:39:07 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: lee martell

A sturdy ball point pen is a more dangerous weapon than a ceremonial kirpan.


51 posted on 09/29/2013 1:40:17 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: All

Right, then, you lot. It’s late, I’m out of the Golden Nectar and too tired and sleepy to go get more, so I’m for a snack and then off to a warm bed then. Been amusing, of sorts.


52 posted on 09/29/2013 1:45:20 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: lee martell; Slings and Arrows; nickcarraway

Yer a D I C K...

Siekh’s is good people.

We ought to be able to distinguish between throwbacks and good people who came to America for all its intendent opportunities and mthrfkrs who lie in wait.

Sikh’s are just like you and me.


53 posted on 09/29/2013 1:46:30 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Utilizer

Thinkin, thinkin, thinkin....


55 posted on 09/29/2013 1:53:59 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: laplata

GIBB’s Rules (from the TV series NCIS):

Rule #1: Never let suspects stay together. (Franks) 1x01 ‘Yankee White’

Rule #1: Never screw over your partner. 4x14 ‘Blowback’

Rule #2: Always wear gloves at a crime scene. (Franks) 1x01 ‘Yankee White’

Rule #3: Don’t believe what you’re told. Double check (Franks) 1x01 ‘Yankee White’

Rule #3: Never be unreachable. 3x13 ‘Deception’

Rule #4: The best way to keep a secret? Keep it to yourself. Second best? Tell one other person - if you must.There is no third best. 4x11 ‘Blowback’

Rule #5: You don’t waste good. (…”You’re Good” Gibbs says to DiNozzo) 8x22 ‘Baltimore’

Rule #6: Never apologize — Its a sign of weakness.
A rule used more often than the others, but finally given a number in 7x12 ‘Flesh and Blood’ during a great Gibbs/DiNozzo moment. The first person to use that phrase was John Wayne in, “She Wore a Yellow Ribbon.” “Never apologize, mister, it. It’s a sign of weakness.” — In the episode 3x23 ‘Hiatus Part-1’ DiNozzo explains to NCIS Director, Jenny Shepard, that Gibbs took this one from “The Duke himself.”

Rule #7: Always be specific when you lie. 1x23 ‘Reveille’

Rule #8: Never take anything for granted. 3x10 ‘Probie’

Rule #9: Never go anywhere without a knife. 1x13 ‘One Shot, One Kill’ & 1x20 ‘Missing’

Rule #10: Never get personally involved on a case. (Said by Tony, agreed on by Gibbs) 7x21 ‘Obsession’

Rule #11: When the job is done, walk away. 6x24 ‘Semper Fidelis’

Rule #12: Never date a coworker. 1x15 ‘Enigma’

Rule #13: Never, ever involve a lawyer. 6x07 ‘Collateral Damage’ & 7x24 ‘Rule Fifty-One’

Rule #15: Always work as a team. 5x05 ‘Leap of Faith’

Rule #16: If someone thinks they have the upper-hand,
…break it! (DiNozzo) 8x24 ‘Pyramid’

Rule #18: It’s better to seek forgiveness than ask permission. 3x04 ‘Silver War’

Rule #22: Never, ever bother Gibbs in interrogation. 4x10 ‘Smoked’

Rule #23: Never mess with a Marine’s coffee if you want to live. 2x09 ‘Forced Entry’

Rule #27: Two ways to follow: First way, they never notice you, — second way, they only notice you. 7x15 ‘Jack Knife’ & 7x24 ‘Rule Fifty-One’

Rule #35: Always watch the watchers. 8x22 ‘Baltimore’

Rule #38: Your case, your lead. 6x16 ‘Bounce’

Rule #39: There is no such thing as coincidence. 7x21 ‘Obsession’
“The 40’s are for Emergency Use Only!”
(Mentioned by Abby) 7x24 ‘Rule Fifty-One’

Rule #40: If it seems someone is out to get you, they are. (Said by Abby, agreed on by Gibbs) 7x22 ‘Borderland’ & 7x24 ‘Rule Fifty-One’

Rule #44: First things first. Hide the women and children. 7x23 ‘Patriot Down’

Rule #45: Clean up your own mess. (Gibbs Said, “Left a mess I’ve got to clean up.” — DiNozzo commented that’s basically Rule #45) 7x24 ‘Rule Fifty-One’ (See Below)

Rule #51: Sometimes — You’re Wrong! 7x24 ‘Rule Fifty-One’

And remember…
A slap to the face is an insult — to the back of the head is a wake-up call.

NOTES:
In 3x05 ‘Switch’ we learn there are actually about 50 Rules. In 3x15 ‘Deception’ the writers seem to have forgotten that they already used Rule #3. A new Rule #1 is given in episode 4x11 ‘Blowback’ creating another duplicate. Some have speculated that the original Rules #1 and #3 are actually ‘Crime Scene Rules’ and not Gibbs’ Rules. There are also theories that because the rules are not written down, the numbers may be fluid.

Regardless, we now have two versions of Rule #1 and Rule #3. However, with the Season 7 Finale 3x15 ‘Deception’, we have some clarification that Gibbs’ Rule #3 is actually “Never be unreachable.” At the end of the episode, Rule #3 is visible on a scrap of paper inside the box.

That makes sense because Gibbs’ Rule #3 wasn’t mentioned until season 3 when the writers had put at least a little thought into Gibbs having a set of rules. Using that theory, it makes sense that Gibbs Rule #1 is “Never screw over your partner,” mentioned the first time in season 4.

Here is NCIS Executive Producer Shane Brennan’s long-awaited and surprising explanation:
“Gibbs lives his life by a set of rules that took root from the first day he met Shannon. Over time, Gibbs added to the rules. When he joined NIS, Mike Franks told him he didn’t need dozens of different rules to be an agent... just three ‘golden rules.’

And this is why we have double ups on rules #1 and #3. Three of them are Gibbs’ rules; three of them are Mike Franks’ rules. We are still to reveal the double-up on rule #2. And it’s up to the fans to guess which of the rules were Mike Franks’ three golden rules and which were Gibbs’.”

One of Gibbs’ Rules that has not been strictly followed is Rule #6, “Never apologize. It’s a sign of weakness.” Another is Rule #3, “Never be unreachable.” Gibbs often leaves his cell phone behind when he does not want to be reached. Gibbs’ Rule #6 is “Never apologize — It’s a sign of weakness,” however Gibbs has made at least six exceptions to Rule #6:

1. His apology to Kate for being late to her funeral.
2. His apology to McGee for not backing him up when he was interrogated(and arrested) by the DC Metro Police.
3. His apology to Franks because of his amnesia.
4. His apology to Ducky following his return from Mexico.
5. His apology to Joann for not being able to protect Shannon and Kelly.
6. His apology to Abby in the Season 7 Finale, Rule Fifty-One.


56 posted on 09/29/2013 1:55:52 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Vendome

Why do you call them good?

Mar 10:18
(18) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.


57 posted on 09/29/2013 2:00:30 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Stupid cop, stupid judge, and worse.


58 posted on 09/29/2013 2:05:42 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Utilizer

” they told him to remove his unfamiliar headgear.”

There was no reason for that request.

He was stopped because he had a flat tire — what does his headgear have to do with that?!


59 posted on 09/29/2013 2:08:24 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

Apt summary.


60 posted on 09/29/2013 2:11:13 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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