DELAY OBAMACARE A YEAR OR WE WILL SHUT IT DOWN - BOEHNER MAKES MOVE

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[MagUSNRET]

Nothing funnier (AND MORE PATHETIC) than witnessing Congress late on a Saturday, getting more high pitched, and riled up and witnessing them demonstrating that they can not hold their liquor!

[nathanbedford]

Delaying it is a win for us...Getting it to Obama where he vetos the bill is a win for us.

Right! We are taking arbitrary control of the government away from Obama and Reid and restoring responsible government to the Constitution and to the people; nothing but good possibilities present themselves if the Republicans can hang together.

It looks more and more likely that there will be at least a short-term shutdown and then the question becomes, who takes the blame? And that is relevant only in as much as it affects the upcoming elections.

No one can say that Ted Cruz played fast and loose because he has explicitly made clear from the very beginning that when the government shuts down that is when politicians have to justify themselves by justifying their actions to the people. If the Republicans cannot win this argument, even in the teeth of the media lying as we have already seen about who is actually shutting down the government, let's find Republicans who can win an argument like this.

Low information voters will accept at face value what the media tells them but they also have the attention span of a gnat. The midterm election, however, is more than a year away. The Republican base and higher information voters have a longer memory and are capable of making a more comprehensive assessment. They are more likely to vote for the people who are straightening out the government; they are more likely to vote against people who were shutting down the government to protect Obamacare. Their memories are longer their insights are treuer. Black voters are lost anyway.

The Republicans who are running scared should consider that the presidential elections, where low information voters have the most influence, are three years away. House Republicans face election next year but most of them are quite safe. They have very little at risk. Republican senators in my judgment have more at risk but not very much. First, only those who are up for reelection next year have an immediate problem. And only those who are up for election next year who are from a weak state have a problem. Of that diminished number of Senators who have a problem some already have some cover. We are not talking about very many senators at all.

If the Republican national committee were more interested in good governance rather than in pandering to K St. and the mainstream media, they would make plans now to protect those senators. Instead, for the last few years they have concentrated on killing the messenger. The problem is not the messenger, Ted Cruz, the problem is Obamacare and the subsidiary problem is the Rinos who missplace their anger.

[morphing libertarian]

If its delayed then the dems won’t be held accountable in the election.

[nathanbedford]

I think a new Caucus and Whip are emerging.

That is equally true in the Senate where the change is not on the surface nor official but the power base in the Senate has already shifted toward Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and their Confederates.

Mitch McConnell has lost the confidence of the people and will soon find himself having lost the confidence of selfish, unruly, fickle Republican senators.

[ogen hal]

The Fed “workers” historically get paid retroactively for any “closed” days...a paid vacation. It will happen again.

[reaganaut]

I really don’t care...I fully expect to be imprisoned for my religious views in the next 10 years and my ministry to Mormons.

*waves to NSA*

[nathanbedford]

If its delayed then the dems won’t be held accountable in the election.

Granted, there is that risk. But against that risk there are other factors to consider.

First, the Democrats were not held accountable in 2012, although it must be conceded that virtually nothing at been implemented by the time of that election.

Second, even if the implementation of Obamacare begins immediately and proves to be bureaucratic, expensive, and arbitrary, those things only change votes inasmuch is they change voters perceptions and that means they must experience bad treatment at the hands of law. Many will not necessarily have bad experiences because they won't be sick. Others will be treated okay. The system probably will have glitches getting started but the public might be conditioned to expect that. It is only after 50 years in England that we see their system breaking down completely.

Finally, there is Nathan Bedford's second Maxim to consider: failed socialism invariably begets more socialism. In other words, in this case the failure of Obamacare will lead not to a restoration of a market system but to a one-payer system or out right socialized medicine. The media is more likely to back the latter than the former. As Mark Levin says, Obamacare is a Trojan horse which when insinuated into our society will destroy it. The risk is simply too great to permit it inside the walls of a civil society.

[nathanbedford]

You have to delay in order to know what the delay is about...

LOL!

[morphing libertarian]

I knew my logic was flawed when I relied upon the electorate.

[miserare]

Garfield the Cat?

[firebrand]

They won’t wonder for very long. Someone will fund the shortfall for all the Congress members and staff and everyone will go back to sports, celebrities, and Halloween.

Then what did we accomplish? Absolutely nothing. Nobody really cares about academic points like “If Obamacare is so great, why don’t the Congressman want it for themselves?”

This game is not being played by the rules of reason.

[chessplayer]

Just the gift bam-bam was hoping for. He wants a shutdown. When people don’t get their social security payments and the military doesn’t get paid, people will be furious with the GOP.

[chessplayer]

“OR WE WILL SHUT IT DOWN”

Why are the Republicans saying they will take responsibility for a shutdown? Pass the fricken bill and let Reid and Obama take the blame by rejecting it for crying out loud. It’s on THEM...not us...

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Yup. Boehner is making sure all the blame is on the GOP. bam-bam couldn’t have dreamed of a better gift.

[GeronL]

A lot of RINO’s are doing the same thing, did you see what Mittens said?

[Hoodat]

I think this is a ploy that is being orchestrated by the Democrats. Many of them know that they are toast once this thing kicks in. So if they can delay at least the worst parts of it until after the next election, they can hold on to their jobs for another 2 or 6 years.

You watch. A compromise will be reached where the most unpopular parts get delayed while the parts that secure Democrat votes for life (i.e. the subsidies) still go through. And then in 2014, the Democrats retain control of a Senate they would have lost had all the effects gone through.

[Shadowstrike]

3 days hell, I give him TWO.

[kevao]

I just heard from a guy on cspan that Boner will submit a third cr with an amendment to cancel the congressional waiver when Reid kicks the current one back. He will do it at the last minute.

I've hated on Boehner since that spineless POS became Speaker. But if he does this, I will forgive (but not forget) his past sins. And if he pulls off this *and* holds the line on the debt ceiling, I will even entertain the notion of forgiveness. No promises, mind you, but I will definitely take it under consideration.

[JediJones]

That’s hardly worth all of the taxes, mandates, subsidies, abortions, and the destruction of our health care system that implementing the rest of Obamacare will produce. The fight should be based on a year delay of the full law at the very least. Congress gettin’ a pay raise or whatever other break is an old canard that Joe Q. Public likes to talk about, but it’s an extremely minor issue compared to everything that’s being done to the public. This sounds more like Boner wanted to score am easy “win” that amounts to gaining virtually nothing instead of engaging in a tough fight.

[JediJones]

Delaying the mandate is NOT is the GOP’s political interests for 2014.

Delaying Obamacare is in the country's interests. Once Obamacare goes into full effect, it is as likely to be overturned as Social Security or Medicare are, if not less so. Once the subsidies kick in, it won't be a viable political issue for Republicans in any future election. They won't run on repealing food stamps any more than they will on this one. Campaigning on taking government bennies away from people who are currently getting them doesn't work.

[DoughtyOne]

What do you mean we don’t have the power to kill it? We certainly do.

We refuse to find it in the House, it’s dead in it’s tracks.

The only problem is that the leadership runs it like the POP instead of the GOP.

Every time something important comes up Boehner thinks it’s time to Pee Our Pants. Boehner is the king of excuse land USA.